Entering password on Android for password manager
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Entering password on Android for password manager
I have taken the precaution of a long password for the manager but my clumsy fingers have a hard time entering it all, correctly, on my Pixel 7. Lastpass and BitWarden allow for log in with finger print but I must first unlock the data base with my password.
I don't do much financial on the phone (depositing checks to Fidelity allows for biomteric as does Vanguard) but need to find a way to get a long, complex password entered correctly. Did a big search here and there, no hints, I know I am missing something.
I don't do much financial on the phone (depositing checks to Fidelity allows for biomteric as does Vanguard) but need to find a way to get a long, complex password entered correctly. Did a big search here and there, no hints, I know I am missing something.
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I use KeePass2 for Android.
It allows me to unlock the database using my fingerprint.
What password manager are you using?
It allows me to unlock the database using my fingerprint.
What password manager are you using?
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Type all but the first and last characters of the complex password into a note until it is right. Copy that text. Open the password manager. Type in the first character of the password. Paste the bulk of the password from the note. Type in the last character of the password and then press enter.
Plenty of variations available for this approach.
Cheers
Plenty of variations available for this approach.
Cheers
Last edited by Silk McCue on Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Have used LastPass for years, and am road testing BitWarden. You need to login to them, you can then unlock with fingerprint, I am sure I am missing something here!
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I use 1Password and you only have to login with a password maybe once every 2-4 weeks. All other times on mobile you can login with fingerprint.
That said, surely you can do the same thing in bitwarden or lastpass. Maybe you have a security setting in preferences turned up too high to where it won't allow biometric authentication?
That said, surely you can do the same thing in bitwarden or lastpass. Maybe you have a security setting in preferences turned up too high to where it won't allow biometric authentication?
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Hmm, I foresaw that problem on my iPhone and decided to do a shorter password with special characters. It’s just too cumbersome to type in a long PW and I don’t want to copy and paste in a long code. If my phone is lost, stolen or damaged I can remotely wipe the contents off the phone so people cannot access my information. I use the iPhone’s native password manager + biometric for everything and it works great. Having notifications set up on your financial accounts for any withdrawals, purchases or transfers over $100 can also help deter theft.
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Yes OP, something is amiss. BitWarden autofills on biometric unlock for me.
Check your settings - Auto-fill services should be On. Unlock with Biometrics should be On.
If that doesn't work check with BW support. They're quick to help.
Check your settings - Auto-fill services should be On. Unlock with Biometrics should be On.
If that doesn't work check with BW support. They're quick to help.
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Bitwarden only requires you to enter the master password once, then it will use biometrics to unlock. If you decide to logout of Bitwarden, then you'll need to login with the master password again.TheGreyingDuke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 pm Have used LastPass for years, and am road testing BitWarden. You need to login to them, you can then unlock with fingerprint, I am sure I am missing something here!
I use a password that's relatively easy to type but is still long and complex.
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For Bitwarden, Take a look at your settings, make sure that your vault timeout action is lock. If it's set to logout, you may have to login again.TheGreyingDuke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:26 pm I have taken the precaution of a long password for the manager but my clumsy fingers have a hard time entering it all, correctly, on my Pixel 7. Lastpass and BitWarden allow for log in with finger print but I must first unlock the data base with my password.
I don't do much financial on the phone (depositing checks to Fidelity allows for biomteric as does Vanguard) but need to find a way to get a long, complex password entered correctly. Did a big search here and there, no hints, I know I am missing something.
Autofill is often inconsistent across different android version, but since you are using a recent phone like Pixel 7, make sure you use the autofill framework. Older android do not have this and uses the accessibility, which doesn't work as well.
Even when it is working, some site purposely make it difficult to use. I can't autofill certain apps and site because the vendor apparently block the autofill. For example, I can't autofill bank of america app on android. Fortunately, the app can be setup to authenticate with fingerprint to bypass the login issue.
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That doesn't sound right. I use BitWarden very frequently to login to websites and apps, and I type in my long password perhaps once a year or less. Unlocking is always via fingerprint. Check:TheGreyingDuke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:26 pm I have taken the precaution of a long password for the manager but my clumsy fingers have a hard time entering it all, correctly, on my Pixel 7. Lastpass and BitWarden allow for log in with finger print but I must first unlock the data base with my password.
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I have read plausible stories of robbers forcing victims to unlock their phones (bio-metrically or otherwise) before relieving their victims of the phone. Everyone's postulated threat should include the above scenario unless they live in a place like rural Wyoming. Unless I've misunderstood it, the above technique turns a long password into a two-character password that is guessable once the thief discovers the note. Which is likely. Experienced thieves know all these tricks. If you have 2FA based on text messaging or email or a phone call to your cell phone, that won't help in this case either. The thief has your unlocked phone.Silk McCue wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:58 pm Type all but the first and last characters of the complex password into a note until it is right. Copy that text. Open the password manager. Type in the first character of the password. Paste the bulk of the password from the note. Type in the last character of the password and then press enter.
Plenty of variations available for this approach.
Cheers
There is little to recommend the above idea if security is an objective.
While not ideal, It's better to use a password you can remember and type even if it's shorter, but still random enough to avoid being on stolen password lists (for example, don't use "password" "sesame" "12345678" and many more). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... _passwords] Bitwarden has tools to check if usernames or passwords are on the stolen lists.
Choose a password that will take longer to crack than it will take you to get to a computer to change your Bitwarden password. Eight characters could give you 39 minutes, nine could give you 2 days. [https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ho ... n-an-hour/]
It's unusual, but if your postulated threat includes confiscation by organizations or authorities with nation-state resources your password should be longer than the above because many such states may also be able to hold you for longer than your anticipated response time to change your password. Also in this case, biometric access to your password manager might be inadvisable. Some organizations and countries, including jurisdictions in the US, can force you to biometrically unlock your phone just like a street criminal can and in the US fourth and fifth amendment protections may not apply. But they do for passwords you have to type in.
Also note that Vanguard's terms of use for their online account access fraud coverage includes language about not writing down the password in clear text or storing it on your computer. They may be unhelpful if it comes to light that all but one or two characters of the password were stored in the note app.
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This was a suggestion to use ONCE so that they could setup fingerprint access. The OP was fat fingering the complex password and that is what they are trying to solve.Diluted Waters wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:38 pmI have read plausible stories of robbers forcing victims to unlock their phones (bio-metrically or otherwise) before relieving their victims of the phone. Everyone's postulated threat should include the above scenario unless they live in a place like rural Wyoming. Unless I've misunderstood it, the above technique turns a long password into a two-character password that is guessable once the thief discovers the note. Which is likely. Experienced thieves know all these tricks. If you have 2FA based on text messaging or email or a phone call to your cell phone, that won't help in this case either. The thief has your unlocked phone.Silk McCue wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:58 pm Type all but the first and last characters of the complex password into a note until it is right. Copy that text. Open the password manager. Type in the first character of the password. Paste the bulk of the password from the note. Type in the last character of the password and then press enter.
Plenty of variations available for this approach.
Cheers
There is little to recommend the above idea if security is an objective.
While not ideal, It's better to use a password you can remember and type even if it's shorter, but still random enough to avoid being on stolen password lists (for example, don't use "password" "sesame" "12345678" and many more). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... _passwords] Bitwarden has tools to check if usernames or passwords are on the stolen lists.
Choose a password that will take longer to crack than it will take you to get to a computer to change your Bitwarden password. Eight characters could give you 39 minutes, nine could give you 2 days. [https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ho ... n-an-hour/]
It's unusual, but if your postulated threat includes confiscation by organizations or authorities with nation-state resources your password should be longer than the above because many such states may also be able to hold you for longer than your anticipated response time to change your password. Also in this case, biometric access to your password manager might be inadvisable. Some organizations and countries, including jurisdictions in the US, can force you to biometrically unlock your phone just like a street criminal can and in the US fourth and fifth amendment protections may not apply. But they do for passwords you have to type in.
Also note that Vanguard's terms of use for their online account access fraud coverage includes language about not writing down the password in clear text or storing it on your computer. They may be unhelpful if it comes to light that all but one or two characters of the password were stored in the note app.
They would have already gained access and setup fingerprint access had they followed it.
Cheers
Re: Entering password on Android for password manager
You can get a Bluetooth keyboard for $12 or so. Or type the complicated part of the pw on a pc and email it to yourself.
https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Keyboa ... r=8-5&th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Keyboa ... r=8-5&th=1
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It's not clear to me what the OP's actual problem is.
Is this for one time entry? If so, just hitting the eye icon to reveal what you're typing should help.
Is this for one time entry? If so, just hitting the eye icon to reveal what you're typing should help.
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Enable dictation?
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Apparently, when I switched to this Pixel 7 a week or two ago, the setting in BitWarden turned off biometric unlocking, one issue resolved. But now the somewhat flaky fingerprint reader on the phone fails to record and after a try or two BitWarden enforces a waiting period. Probably doesn't help that I have some calloused fingers
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You can setup multiple fingers. I end up registering a non-index finger. For some reason, my index finger gets heavy use and can't be reliably register with my finger. The reader can be affected by moisture. If your finger is too dry, it will also fail.TheGreyingDuke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:16 pm Apparently, when I switched to this Pixel 7 a week or two ago, the setting in BitWarden turned off biometric unlocking, one issue resolved. But now the somewhat flaky fingerprint reader on the phone fails to record and after a try or two BitWarden enforces a waiting period. Probably doesn't help that I have some calloused fingers
The reader vary a lot in quality. The Huawei phone I used a few years ago had the best one, it rarely fail. The Pixel one is OK. The one from on Apple ipad and iphone are terrible.
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Thanks for all the help, I nuked the bitwarden account (I have a more up to date array in LastPass), opened a new account, re-did my fingerprint with Android, re-imported everything from Last Pass and it looks to be good to go.
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