No please no. That watch is meant to be on the original bracelet!!!
Congrats on getting it.
No please no. That watch is meant to be on the original bracelet!!!
Congratulations. This watch is what I wear daily and I love the look for the same reasons you have given. The easylink bracelet adjustment can be done without a tool.
How ? There is a little click it can do, and there is a spring bar with 3 positions. This image shows it best: https://images.app.goo.gl/KCTNc4uitnJsJfLVA Where the right side connects with the clasp, that springbar I'm talking about.desiderium wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:04 amCongratulations. This watch is what I wear daily and I love the look for the same reasons you have given. The easylink bracelet adjustment can be done without a tool.
I also like the look of vintage explorers on a leather strap, though a 1016 was out of my range a few years ago at less than half the price they go for now. I assumed you could not really put this new watch on a leather strap, but I see that someone makes straps that integrate with the curved case:
https://www.everestbands.com/products/e ... &utm_term=.
I have not seen this approach with recent model Rolex in the wild. Something to consider and no harm in trying it.
Here is a video of the 5mm adjustment that can be done without tools. https://youtu.be/942TGgWip6U. Perhaps there are other manipulations you can make with a tool. My dealer sized my bracelet by removing links and showing me how to adjust the easylink for fine-tuningSchlabba wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:47 pmHow ? There is a little click it can do, and there is a spring bar with 3 positions. This image shows it best: https://images.app.goo.gl/KCTNc4uitnJsJfLVA Where the right side connects with the clasp, that springbar I'm talking about.desiderium wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:04 amCongratulations. This watch is what I wear daily and I love the look for the same reasons you have given. The easylink bracelet adjustment can be done without a tool.
I also like the look of vintage explorers on a leather strap, though a 1016 was out of my range a few years ago at less than half the price they go for now. I assumed you could not really put this new watch on a leather strap, but I see that someone makes straps that integrate with the curved case:
https://www.everestbands.com/products/e ... &utm_term=.
I have not seen this approach with recent model Rolex in the wild. Something to consider and no harm in trying it.
Or did you mean simply using a tiny screwdriver?
StormShadow wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:22 pmUgh, paying retail for any of these watches doesn't make sense to me. The markup is ridiculous... on an already ridiculously expensive watch!
I'm all about maintaining value and the only way to do this would be through the pre-owned route.
Watches that I like (non-Rolex):
Cartier: Tank Louis Cartier in gold
Omega: Speedmaster
Patek Phillipe: Calatrava (with or without complication) and any Nautilus in steel (hah, good luck finding one for < $30k)
A. Lange Sohne: Lange 1 and 1815.
Panerai: Just pick one.
JLC: Any Reverso
Its funny, but the pre-owned market also includes the most expensive and most sought after watches on the planet. Case-in-point: Paul Newman's Rolex Daytona which was auctioned off for $17.8 Million. A watch so famous that every other Daytona with a similar dial regularly auctions off for way way over $100k
I've purchased a watch I saw online once (Submariner Date).SuperSaver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:57 pmSaw your recent post. I agree with you in not paying full MSRP for new watch.StormShadow wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:22 pmI'm all about maintaining value and the only way to do this would be through the pre-owned route.
Where have you bought in past with good results?
Omegaforums
Chrono24
Jomashop
I have bought on eBay, and private dealer with good results, but think I got lucky both times
SuperSaver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:57 pm
Saw your recent post. I agree with you in not paying full MSRP for new watch.
Where have you bought in past with good results?
Omegaforums
Chrono24
Jomashop
I have bought on eBay, and private dealer with good results, but think I got lucky both times
I purchased my Seamaster used from DavidSW -- transaction was very smooth, item was in great shape, and I got the warranty card that I later used for a free repair (was told by the dealer I had "the right kind of warranty card"). Very satisfied.SuperSaver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:57 pmStormShadow wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:22 pmUgh, paying retail for any of these watches doesn't make sense to me. The markup is ridiculous... on an already ridiculously expensive watch!
I'm all about maintaining value and the only way to do this would be through the pre-owned route.
Watches that I like (non-Rolex):
Cartier: Tank Louis Cartier in gold
Omega: Speedmaster
Patek Phillipe: Calatrava (with or without complication) and any Nautilus in steel (hah, good luck finding one for < $30k)
A. Lange Sohne: Lange 1 and 1815.
Panerai: Just pick one.
JLC: Any Reverso
Its funny, but the pre-owned market also includes the most expensive and most sought after watches on the planet. Case-in-point: Paul Newman's Rolex Daytona which was auctioned off for $17.8 Million. A watch so famous that every other Daytona with a similar dial regularly auctions off for way way over $100k
Saw your recent post. I agree with you in not paying full MSRP for new watch.
Where have you bought in past with good results?
Omegaforums
Chrono24
Jomashop
I have bought on eBay, and private dealer with good results, but think I got lucky both times
Interesting that this is an image from a replica watch siteSchlabba wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:47 pmHow ? There is a little click it can do, and there is a spring bar with 3 positions. This image shows it best: https://images.app.goo.gl/KCTNc4uitnJsJfLVA Where the right side connects with the clasp, that springbar I'm talking about.desiderium wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:04 amCongratulations. This watch is what I wear daily and I love the look for the same reasons you have given. The easylink bracelet adjustment can be done without a tool.
I also like the look of vintage explorers on a leather strap, though a 1016 was out of my range a few years ago at less than half the price they go for now. I assumed you could not really put this new watch on a leather strap, but I see that someone makes straps that integrate with the curved case:
https://www.everestbands.com/products/e ... &utm_term=.
I have not seen this approach with recent model Rolex in the wild. Something to consider and no harm in trying it.
Or did you mean simply using a tiny screwdriver?
mak1277 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:21 amI have gotten exactly one (positive) comment on my submariner in 2 1/2 years of owning it.Schlabba wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:17 amI just recently joined the waiting list for a Rolex Explorer (214270). Part of the reason of choosing that watch was that it might not be noticed by non-watch fans. Did you often get comments on your watch?Oddibe McDowell wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:54 amEye Surgeon - I hear you! I own and still love my Sub, but don't wear it sometimes as I don't like people knowing I'm wearing a "Rolex." In that sense I do have a little buyer's remorse at times.eye.surgeon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:53 pm I'd suggest a classic Casio G-Shock 5600 and $4950 in your pocket. And this coming from a guy wearing a submariner that I wish I'd never bought.
Not sure how closely you look at this stuff - but assuming your Sub is a stainless steel one (either 5 digit for 6 digit) - chances are you can sell it now for at least as much if not more than you paid for it. Might be an option if you are wanting to unload it / get your money back. That's one nice thing about a Rolex - they tend to hold their value.
And yes rolex holding its value was a big factor in deciding to buy one. If I ever regret it I’ll sell it and get my money back. The only risk ofcourse is damaging it or having it stolen.
Owning the right Rolex is quite stealthy I would say. I've only been wearing mine to work for 3 days now and noone noticed out of the roughly 20 people I met, but as far as I read online noone will notice (thats also why I quoted mak1277).
Ha! Just saw an Antiques Roadshow clip where a former USAF munitions crewmember brought in the Rolex Daytona is worth a pile o' money:Schlabba wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:03 pm
Owning the right Rolex is quite stealthy I would say. I've only been wearing mine to work for 3 days now and noone noticed out of the roughly 20 people I met, but as far as I read online noone will notice (thats also why I quoted mak1277).
Any other brand is completely anonymous for non-watch people.
I like comparing the depreciation of my Rolex Explorer to an Apple Watch. If I go to chrono24 and look up a 10yr old Explorer it lost 1000€ compared to the 6200€ I paid for it today. (I don't know how expensive it was 10 years ago, maybe they were cheaper? So it could have increased in price?). In 10 years time you probably burn through 3 Apple Watches, so the Apple Watches are more expensive.Independent George wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:11 pm The rational part of my brain tells me a mechanical chrono is an expensive mistake. I never had much interest in a Speedmaster. I despise the trend towards making a bazillion different 'limited' editions of the same watch. I find the way Omega milks the whole 'Moonwatch' branding rather trite and irritating.
But dangit, I absolutely adore everything about the Silver Snoopy. I need to see this watch in person (if only the stores weren't all still closed). Nice video on it here.
I don't much care about resale value, but the problem with mechanical chronographs is that they are ridiculously expensive to service, and by nature are more likely to be in need of service than non-chrono movements.Schlabba wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:23 pm I like comparing the depreciation of my Rolex Explorer to an Apple Watch. If I go to chrono24 and look up a 10yr old Explorer it lost 1000€ compared to the 6200€ I paid for it today. (I don't know how expensive it was 10 years ago, maybe they were cheaper? So it could have increased in price?). In 10 years time you probably burn through 3 Apple Watches, so the Apple Watches are more expensive.
Well that's how I justify it , and that might also be true for the Omega Snoopy.
It's not just an Omega thing. It's all mechanical watches. There's a lack of (tasteful) creativity, and no feature-based differentiation (outside of million-dollar grande complications), so they HAVE to sell watches on the basis of lineage and history.Independent George wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:11 pm The rational part of my brain tells me a mechanical chrono is an expensive mistake. I never had much interest in a Speedmaster. I despise the trend towards making a bazillion different 'limited' editions of the same watch. I find the way Omega milks the whole 'Moonwatch' branding rather trite and irritating.
I love microbrands - I have several at different price points, for precisely the reasons you enumerate. One of the reasons I love Grand Seiko put out genuinely new and interesting watch designs every year.hunoraut wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm It's not just an Omega thing. It's all mechanical watches. There's a lack of (tasteful) creativity, and no feature-based differentiation (outside of million-dollar grande complications), so they HAVE to sell watches on the basis of lineage and history.
That's why there are so many replica of the Royal Oak, every company's take on the B-Uhr, innumerable variants of the Reverso, every Panerai ever made is essentially 3 different models.... and the absolute worse, the entire Rolex Submariner and Daytona phenomenon.
If you want something unique, you have to explore microbrands and other independents (like Nomos).
That said, I do enjoy my original Speedmaster because it IS a timeless design. No matter if they pump out more of them in every shade.
Exactly how is the Speedy "timeless" but the Sub isn't?hunoraut wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pmIt's not just an Omega thing. It's all mechanical watches. There's a lack of (tasteful) creativity, and no feature-based differentiation (outside of million-dollar grande complications), so they HAVE to sell watches on the basis of lineage and history.Independent George wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:11 pm The rational part of my brain tells me a mechanical chrono is an expensive mistake. I never had much interest in a Speedmaster. I despise the trend towards making a bazillion different 'limited' editions of the same watch. I find the way Omega milks the whole 'Moonwatch' branding rather trite and irritating.
That's why there are so many replica of the Royal Oak, every company's take on the B-Uhr, innumerable variants of the Reverso, every Panerai ever made is essentially 3 different models.... and the absolute worse, the entire Rolex Submariner and Daytona phenomenon.
If you want something unique, you have to explore microbrands and other independents (like Nomos).
That said, I do enjoy my original Speedmaster because it IS a timeless design. No matter if they pump out more of them in every shade.
Where was it expressed that the Sub isn't?mak1277 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:38 amExactly how is the Speedy "timeless" but the Sub isn't?hunoraut wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pmIt's not just an Omega thing. It's all mechanical watches. There's a lack of (tasteful) creativity, and no feature-based differentiation (outside of million-dollar grande complications), so they HAVE to sell watches on the basis of lineage and history.Independent George wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:11 pm The rational part of my brain tells me a mechanical chrono is an expensive mistake. I never had much interest in a Speedmaster. I despise the trend towards making a bazillion different 'limited' editions of the same watch. I find the way Omega milks the whole 'Moonwatch' branding rather trite and irritating.
That's why there are so many replica of the Royal Oak, every company's take on the B-Uhr, innumerable variants of the Reverso, every Panerai ever made is essentially 3 different models.... and the absolute worse, the entire Rolex Submariner and Daytona phenomenon.
If you want something unique, you have to explore microbrands and other independents (like Nomos).
That said, I do enjoy my original Speedmaster because it IS a timeless design. No matter if they pump out more of them in every shade.
You lumped the Sub into a pretty negative comment about other brands like JLC and Panerai not being creative and said it was "the worst". I didn't realize you were talking about Sub homages (since nobody is really making homages of the reverso that I've ever seen).hunoraut wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:46 amWhere was it expressed that the Sub isn't?mak1277 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:38 amExactly how is the Speedy "timeless" but the Sub isn't?hunoraut wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pmIt's not just an Omega thing. It's all mechanical watches. There's a lack of (tasteful) creativity, and no feature-based differentiation (outside of million-dollar grande complications), so they HAVE to sell watches on the basis of lineage and history.Independent George wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:11 pm The rational part of my brain tells me a mechanical chrono is an expensive mistake. I never had much interest in a Speedmaster. I despise the trend towards making a bazillion different 'limited' editions of the same watch. I find the way Omega milks the whole 'Moonwatch' branding rather trite and irritating.
That's why there are so many replica of the Royal Oak, every company's take on the B-Uhr, innumerable variants of the Reverso, every Panerai ever made is essentially 3 different models.... and the absolute worse, the entire Rolex Submariner and Daytona phenomenon.
If you want something unique, you have to explore microbrands and other independents (like Nomos).
That said, I do enjoy my original Speedmaster because it IS a timeless design. No matter if they pump out more of them in every shade.
I said these are the watches that spawn a million variants, in-house designs and outside "homages", for better or worse. Out of that lot, I'm personally fond of the Speedmaster.
They AREN'T creative. Or, they haven't had to be.mak1277 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:59 am You lumped the Sub into a pretty negative comment about other brands like JLC and Panerai not being creative and said it was "the worst". I didn't realize you were talking about Sub homages (since nobody is really making homages of the reverso that I've ever seen).
I have no problem with this continuity. I love the fact that you can buy a Sub today that basically looks just like the original Sub. I don't think Rolex makes subtle changes to sell watches to collectors. I think they just do what they want, knowing they're going to sell a ton of watches, period. They're the one brand that *doesn't* have to pander to watch nerds.hunoraut wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:16 amThey AREN'T creative. Or, they haven't had to be.mak1277 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:59 am You lumped the Sub into a pretty negative comment about other brands like JLC and Panerai not being creative and said it was "the worst". I didn't realize you were talking about Sub homages (since nobody is really making homages of the reverso that I've ever seen).
There exists...thousands of Submariner ref? As collectors latch onto the minute differences of the font being in one serif versus another, whether depth marking are in meters or feet, or if theres an otherwise unnoticeable underline in the marking or not, Rolex exploits this and pumps out more and more variant with the most subtle of differences.
Who can blame them?
Yes, I am "negative" of this this fact. No, that doesn't preclude me from liking the original design. I actually rather like the general aesthetic of the Submariner, and the Radiomir. But there is no hiding that it is 99% the same design since 50 years ago.
The watch resale market, where prices for hyped timepieces skyrocketed to record figures in recent years, is floating back down to earth.
According to sales data from Chrono24, a watch resale marketplace, a stainless steel Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 that sold for more than $194,000 in January is now trading closer to $145,000. Sales of the steel Rolex Daytona 116500LN with a white dial on the platform have slumped by more than $12,000 from a peak of over $52,000 in May. And the steel Audemars Piguet Royal Oak with a white dial is down by nearly $20,000 from its March peak of around $75,000.
“We do see a softening, but we definitely don’t see it across the market. We just see it, especially with some of the trophy watches,” said Tim Stracke, co-CEO of Chrono24. He likened the takeoff and tumble of these so-called trophy watches to meme stocks like AMC and GameStop: In both arenas, surging prices were driven by a heady mix of pandemic boredom and excess capital. The comedown has coincided with the contraction of global economic markets.
Way back around 2003 I was thinking about buying a Rolex but I'm not sure how comfortable I would have been to wear it out in public. I'm not in a position where I wear expensive clothes, etc. so it just seemed too far over the top. Obviously investment wise it would have been a good time to get one.SebastianIII wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:50 pm I would start out with a Rolex at a min, its not a watch, its a time piece.
Pick what you can afford to spend within reason.
I bought my first Rolex on my first job out of college, Stainless and gold Submariner black face and its
still running strong 33 years later and worth more today than what i paid with inflation of course.
Rolex is a watch for a lifetime and can be handed down and means a lot as it was "dad's or mom's"
Years later I bought Gold Presidential and now that costs much more than when i purchased it.
I inherited a gold vacheron-constantin watch and band from my Dad and its a very cool Vintage watch, there's a
lot of people that love vintage watches and they are very cool, so some of you may be interested in going that route.
https://www.rolex.com/watches.html
https://www.alanfurman.com/rolex/
+1 Patek, A. Lange & Söhne or Audemars Piguet.rockstar wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:08 pm If I was going to buy an expensive watch, I'd get a Patek Philippe otherwise I'd wear an Apple Watch.
https://www.patek.com/en/collection/all-models
Got it, you're not a watch person. You don't buy a Speedy Pro because it is a good value. Or any watch over $100, really.SuperSaver wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:38 am I owned Omega Speedmaster for years. Grew bored of it, and sold it.
Then, BAM! Just saw that Omega & Swatch teamed up to make a new series of watches to collaborate. And for 90% less than the original Speedmaster cost, I got a plastic quartz version of my old Speedy Pro.
It looks great. Never needs winding. And if I lose it/break it, no big deal.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/watches/a ... ollab-2022
Not mising anything. Except used Rolexes are selling for more than retial MSRP right now.afan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:18 am There are many of these prized Rolex models on sale used for far lower prices. Many from what appear to be reputable dealers. Are they all fakes? Or is the hysteria to buy one reserved for new watches?
Sure, one would not want to pay, say, $10,000 for a fake. But the motivation to go to an authorized dealer, buy other expensive watches to be taken seriously and beg to be put on a waitlist for what you want is lost on me. You could avoid all of thus and buy used. Even if you add in the cost of a service and restoration, you come out far ahead.
What am I missing?
Correction: recession comes for watch flippers. For watch collectors, this is great news.Tanelorn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:30 pm Recession comes for watch collectors.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/rolex-watc ... 1659495619
The watch resale market, where prices for hyped timepieces skyrocketed to record figures in recent years, is floating back down to earth.
According to sales data from Chrono24, a watch resale marketplace, a stainless steel Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 that sold for more than $194,000 in January is now trading closer to $145,000. Sales of the steel Rolex Daytona 116500LN with a white dial on the platform have slumped by more than $12,000 from a peak of over $52,000 in May. And the steel Audemars Piguet Royal Oak with a white dial is down by nearly $20,000 from its March peak of around $75,000.
“We do see a softening, but we definitely don’t see it across the market. We just see it, especially with some of the trophy watches,” said Tim Stracke, co-CEO of Chrono24. He likened the takeoff and tumble of these so-called trophy watches to meme stocks like AMC and GameStop: In both arenas, surging prices were driven by a heady mix of pandemic boredom and excess capital. The comedown has coincided with the contraction of global economic markets.
Since I can satisfy my watch fascination without buying one, there may be something about the watches on sale that makes them less desirable, but I see thousands of Submariners on Chrono24. Used and new. I see thousands of used that are less expensive than the new watches.corn18 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:16 amNot mising anything. Except used Rolexes are selling for more than retial MSRP right now.afan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:18 am There are many of these prized Rolex models on sale used for far lower prices. Many from what appear to be reputable dealers. Are they all fakes? Or is the hysteria to buy one reserved for new watches?
Sure, one would not want to pay, say, $10,000 for a fake. But the motivation to go to an authorized dealer, buy other expensive watches to be taken seriously and beg to be put on a waitlist for what you want is lost on me. You could avoid all of thus and buy used. Even if you add in the cost of a service and restoration, you come out far ahead.
What am I missing?
afan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:14 pm .. I see thousands of Submariners on Chrono24. Used and new. I see thousands of used that are less expensive than the new watches.
But with the thousands available from one well-known site, I find it hard to believe the watches themselves are that rare. With Rolex apparently making about 1,000,000 watches per year, how rare can they be?
You want a Rolex steel submariner, go online and buy one. Or 10, if you have the money.
Not a criticism of Rolex at all. I just do not get the scarcity behavior around a watch that is not scarce.
Well, the "hold value" part appears to be eroding.Independent George wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:19 pm One of the reasons Rolexes have been hard to find is because they were being bought up by the Chinese in large numbers. With the recent debt issues, I can see that market going either way - either less demand due to softening macroeconomic conditions, or more demand because they're small, portable, durable goods that hold value.
Thousands available at a click means they are neither rare, nor is there an excess of demand over supply.hunoraut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:08 pm
1. they are rare ipso facto because of relative count of how many people want one, vs how much is available.
2. many people want very particular ones, instead of "just" a submariner..
2. the fact that rolex makes today, and made historically, hundreds and thousands of variants -- hence some people desiring very particular ones -- is not something im a fan of either
viewtopic.php?p=5543317#p5543317
Exactly. If you like the design, then why want them to change it? If someone wants a collection of submariners with differences so minute that only another aficionado could recognize that they were not identical, have at it.
https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2021/2/3/ ... sign-priceafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:19 pmExactly. If you like the design, then why want them to change it? If someone wants a collection of submariners with differences so minute that only another aficionado could recognize that they were not identical, have at it.
If I were to buy an expensive watch I would not get a Rolex, simply because anyone who saw it would know it was an expensive watch. I would far rather have something that does not scream conspicuous consumption.