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In my corporate job where we host large events at convention centers annually… lot of these types of jobs are union based and regulated. Like there has been times when I wanted to jump in and make an AV adjustment and I wasn’t allowed to. Had to work through the process with union workers, etc.

I’m not an expert by any means, I am just recommending the venue is consulted before anybody makes an investment or commitment.

I’ve seen the post for the conference every year since I’ve been a member but there’s always been a reason I can’t make it. Hope to catch you all one day.
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Morik wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 12:17 pm
simplextableau wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 12:08 pm The Bogle Center shouldn't expect professionals to work for free. I don't ask that of my doctors or lawyers.
I don't think it's unethical to call for volunteers in this situation. If no one wants to volunteer they will hire (and pay) a professional crew. At least, that is my impression from the original post.
Bogleheads is an all-volunteer, non-profit organization.

We may or may not have this recorded. If this request is not filled by volunteers (and it has not so far), we will price the cost of hiring a crew, and if the Bogle Center Board of Directors thinks the cost is too high, then there will be no video content posted, and only those who attend the event will benefit from listening to the speakers. I will say that there is no appetite for asking those who are attending to pay extra for video recording so that those who do not attend can watch for free.
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Depending upon the price for pro recording, perhaps it can be funded by selling "pre-orders" for the full recording (DVD or downloads). The recordings could (eventually) be freely available (via Bogleheads website and YouTube channel), but on a delayed basis.

With 100 K registered Forum users, and probably just as many lurkers, I bet 1,000+ would pony up $10 - $20 ea to order a copy. Jim Dahle, M.D. and his team have experience recording and distributing conference videos, so he might have suggestions.
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sleepysurf wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:35 am Depending upon the price for pro recording, perhaps it can be funded by selling "pre-orders" for the full recording (DVD or downloads). The recordings could (eventually) be freely available (via Bogleheads website and YouTube channel), but on a delayed basis.

With 100 K registered Forum users, and probably just as many lurkers, I bet 1,000+ would pony up $10 - $20 ea to order a copy. Jim Dahle, M.D. and his team have experience recording and distributing conference videos, so he might have suggestions.
Sure. Lots of ideas are out there and many are good. What we're looking for are experienced volunteers in this area who commit to doing something.
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Rick Ferri wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:12 am
Morik wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 12:17 pm
simplextableau wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 12:08 pm The Bogle Center shouldn't expect professionals to work for free. I don't ask that of my doctors or lawyers.
I don't think it's unethical to call for volunteers in this situation. If no one wants to volunteer they will hire (and pay) a professional crew. At least, that is my impression from the original post.
Bogleheads is an all-volunteer, non-profit organization.
. . .
I will say that there is no appetite for asking those who are attending to pay extra for video recording so that those who do not attend can watch for free.
I agree with your conclusion wholeheartedly, Rick. No volunteer, no video. In the past, Dr. Rich volunteered his services and we all appreciated what he produced. He even purchased more expensive equipment in an effort to make it even better. Maybe not Hollywood quality, but it was definitely good enough for most Bogleheads.
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Mel Lindauer wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 1:18 pm I agree with your conclusion wholeheartedly, Rick. No volunteer, no video. In the past, Dr. Rich volunteered his services and we all appreciated what he produced. He even purchased more expensive equipment in an effort to make it even better. Maybe not Hollywood quality, but it was definitely good enough for most Bogleheads.
I really appreciated Dr. Rich's photos and recordings of the past Conferences; he did a great job, and it was clear he spent so much effort trying to record everything from the best angles that I'm sure he missed much of the Conference for himself.
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sleepysurf wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:35 am Depending upon the price for pro recording, perhaps it can be funded by selling "pre-orders" for the full recording (DVD or downloads). The recordings could (eventually) be freely available (via Bogleheads website and YouTube channel), but on a delayed basis.

With 100 K registered Forum users, and probably just as many lurkers, I bet 1,000+ would pony up $10 - $20 ea to order a copy. Jim Dahle, M.D. and his team have experience recording and distributing conference videos, so he might have suggestions.
Oh, I like it! Perhaps there could be a “Bogleheads: too hot for the forum” video that is strictly about forbidden topics like religion, politics, referral links, cryptocurrencies, adult language, doomsday preparedness, long short portfolios, and reinsurance.

By the way, I’m kidding. Some of y’all can’t tell.
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Miriam2 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 1:45 pm
Mel Lindauer wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 1:18 pm I agree with your conclusion wholeheartedly, Rick. No volunteer, no video. In the past, Dr. Rich volunteered his services and we all appreciated what he produced. He even purchased more expensive equipment in an effort to make it even better. Maybe not Hollywood quality, but it was definitely good enough for most Bogleheads.
I really appreciated Dr. Rich's photos and recordings of the past Conferences; he did a great job, and it was clear he spent so much effort trying to record everything from the best angles that I'm sure he missed much of the Conference for himself.
Not to mention the effort he did moving those videos from Vimeo to YouTube: Bogleheads Conference Proceedings - YouTube

How do I know? I'm volunteering my time helping publish videos on the Bogleheads YouTube channel.
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If this request is not filled by volunteers (and it has not so far), we will price the cost of hiring a crew
No volunteer, no video.
Those statements are contradictory. Which is it: "no volunteers and we may hire a crew" or "no volunteers, no video"?

How about soliciting donations for a video crew from those NOT attending? I might chip in but if and only if a professional crew is hired.

If the 500 available tickets are sold out at $395 each ... you do the math. I have posted a rough estimate of the labor costs involved. If the third day is only half a day, is it worth bringing in a crew for that half day?
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Rick Ferri wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:12 am
We may or may not have this recorded. If this request is not filled by volunteers (and it has not so far), we will price the cost of hiring a crew, and if the Bogle Center Board of Directors thinks the cost is too high, then there will be no video content posted, and only those who attend the event will benefit from listening to the speakers. I will say that there is no appetite for asking those who are attending to pay extra for video recording so that those who do not attend can watch for free.
I agree with your position.

However, would it be possible to charge a reasonable fee to view the videos if we have to hire out for video recording? It would be very helpful for those who are not able to attend.

Thank you all for putting together a BH conference.
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Rick Ferri wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:12 amWe may or may not have this recorded. If this request is not filled by volunteers (and it has not so far), we will price the cost of hiring a crew, and if the Bogle Center Board of Directors thinks the cost is too high, then there will be no video content posted, and only those who attend the event will benefit from listening to the speakers. I will say that there is no appetite for asking those who are attending to pay extra for video recording so that those who do not attend can watch for free.
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Normchad wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 11:11 am I love this website. I think recording this event is a great idea. I won’t be attending though.

If you end up hiring professionals for this, I’ll chip in $250 to help defray the cost please DM when appropriate and we can coordinate payment.
Very kind of you.
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belowaverage wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 10:00 am Could always connect with a local community college and get students in a Sound Recording or similar major to assist.
Great. Please volunteer to do that.
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