I'm sure for some, the ability to use this at TSA sites is valuable but I have no plans or interest to fly any time soon (independent of the pandemic).
What I noted in the article was this:
For now, IDs in the Wallet app can only be presented at select TSA checkpoints at select U.S. airports, with Apple advising travelers to check TSA checkpoint signage to confirm availability. Maryland's Motor Vehicle Administration said residents must continue to carry their physical driver's license or ID card with them, and noted that law enforcement will not accept Maryland driver's licenses or IDs in the Wallet app at this time.
I can imagine driving around locally without my wallet (physical DL) so this is a bit disappointing.
Has anyone heard or read anything that would indicate that this is only a temporary position by the MD MVA and law enforcement?
Don't trust me, look it up. https://www.irs.gov/forms-instructions-and-publications
Real ID and other advancements are making this possible. More states and agencies will be implementing the digital version permanently. Eventually carrying a DL will be a thing of the past. The benefit it's a time saver and, though not immediate, provides some cost savings.
bob60014 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:59 pm
Real ID and other advancements are making this possible. More states and agencies will be implementing the digital version permanently. Eventually carrying a DL will be a thing of the past. The benefit it's a time saver and, though not immediate, provides some cost savings.
I agree; but given that it is only useful for flying and I don't fly, it has no benefit yet.
Don't trust me, look it up. https://www.irs.gov/forms-instructions-and-publications
jebmke wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:41 pmHas anyone heard or read anything that would indicate that this is only a temporary position by the MD MVA and law enforcement?
There is obviously only one possible answer, and that answer is "it depends what you mean by temporary." I can guarantee you two things:
1. As of now this is simply a convenience extended by TSA. What is considered valid id under state law is completely unrelated, and nobody in state government at this time has any incentive or motivation to change the status quo.
2. By 2100 absolutely no one is still going to be carrying a little piece of plastic around as identification.
bob60014 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 3:59 pm
Real ID and other advancements are making this possible. More states and agencies will be implementing the digital version permanently. Eventually carrying a DL will be a thing of the past. The benefit it's a time saver and, though not immediate, provides some cost savings.
I agree; but given that it is only useful for flying and I don't fly, it has no benefit yet.
So basically one more reason to make sure your phone doesn't run out of juice (digital boarding passes and now digital IDs)...
"For now, the digital ID isn’t a replacement for a physical driver’s license or state ID, which the department said Marylanders must continue to carry."
Walkure wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:06 pm
2. By 2100 absolutely no one is still going to be carrying a little piece of plastic around as identification.
There are plenty of people that eschew technology. And I don’t just mean the Amish.
I'll rephrase that. By 2100, any third party who cares to verify your identity won't be relying on "something you have" (be it plastic, tech or otherwise) to do so.
RJC wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:21 pm
"For now, the digital ID isn’t a replacement for a physical driver’s license or state ID, which the department said Marylanders must continue to carry."
So what's the point?
If you lose your wallet, you can still fly domestically via your digital ID on your phone?
Walkure wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:06 pm
2. By 2100 absolutely no one is still going to be carrying a little piece of plastic around as identification.
There are plenty of people that eschew technology. And I don’t just mean the Amish.
I'll rephrase that. By 2100, any third party who cares to verify your identity won't be relying on "something you have" (be it plastic, tech or otherwise) to do so.
Walkure wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:06 pm
2. By 2100 absolutely no one is still going to be carrying a little piece of plastic around as identification.
There are plenty of people that eschew technology. And I don’t just mean the Amish.
I'll rephrase that. By 2100, any third party who cares to verify your identity won't be relying on "something you have" (be it plastic, tech or otherwise) to do so.
What will they use? Biometrics?
Haven't the foggiest. But it's obvious that any token, however sophisticated, won't be able to provide verifiable provenance once quantum computing goes mainstream. Unless of course, we're back to rubbing sticks together to make fire by then, but in that case no one cares about your identity either.
RJC wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:21 pm
"For now, the digital ID isn’t a replacement for a physical driver’s license or state ID, which the department said Marylanders must continue to carry."
So what's the point?
If you lose your wallet, you can still fly domestically via your digital ID on your phone?
yeah; just can't drive home
Don't trust me, look it up. https://www.irs.gov/forms-instructions-and-publications
RJC wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:21 pm
"For now, the digital ID isn’t a replacement for a physical driver’s license or state ID, which the department said Marylanders must continue to carry."
So what's the point?
If you lose your wallet, you can still fly domestically via your digital ID on your phone?
AerialWombat wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:15 pm
There are plenty of people that eschew technology. And I don’t just mean the Amish.
Yep, just this morning I watched a family spend 30 minutes with a paper map spread out on the hood of their car, planning a <200 mile drive. When done, one family member used their smartphone to text the route to another.
lazydavid wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:07 pm
Yep, just this morning I watched a family spend 30 minutes with a paper map spread out on the hood of their car, planning a <200 mile drive. When done, one family member used their smartphone to text the route to another.
I might have done the same (but probably not for 30 minutes). A phone’s screen is just too small for me for that sort of thing - I’d rather use a paper map or map book if I have one at hand.
lazydavid wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:07 pm
Yep, just this morning I watched a family spend 30 minutes with a paper map spread out on the hood of their car, planning a <200 mile drive. When done, one family member used their smartphone to text the route to another.
I might have done the same (but probably not for 30 minutes). A phone’s screen is just too small for me for that sort of thing - I’d rather use a paper map or map book if I have one at hand.
I do this often; just a quick look. Most of the time I can memorize my route - I'm still good for up to 7 turns. GPS often doesn't take you the best way in rural areas; the maps are mostly complete but the routing isn't that good.
Don't trust me, look it up. https://www.irs.gov/forms-instructions-and-publications
RJC wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:21 pm
"For now, the digital ID isn’t a replacement for a physical driver’s license or state ID, which the department said Marylanders must continue to carry."
So what's the point?
Gotta start somewhere. NFC payments were nowhere to be found 8 years ago when Apple Pay came out. Now they’re everywhere. This will mature like everything else.
Let’s see what Digital IDs can be used for in 2030.
RJC wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:21 pm
"For now, the digital ID isn’t a replacement for a physical driver’s license or state ID, which the department said Marylanders must continue to carry."
So what's the point?
Maybe to make it easier for underage kids to get into bars with a fake ID.
An app like that would be ridiculously easy to duplicate well enough to show at the door of a bar.