At least it wasn’t LaserDisc! I mean even if you went Blu-Ray you’d need to upgrade to 4K Blu-Ray?
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Trust me, I'm still recovering from that beating!
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I was defrauded out of about $5k by a scam artistic roofing contractor in Los Angeles that I suspect was run by the Armenian Mafia. Like most fraud victims, I’m embarrassed I fell for the scam.
In the grand scheme of things it wasn’t a huge loss and it was better to pay that to settle the contract than to take it through arbitration at the contractor’s board, deal with a mechanic’s lien, or have a few thugs come by and break my legs.
In the grand scheme of things it wasn’t a huge loss and it was better to pay that to settle the contract than to take it through arbitration at the contractor’s board, deal with a mechanic’s lien, or have a few thugs come by and break my legs.
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This is one of the most entertaining threads I’ve come across. I’m enjoying the schadenfreude.
Mine would be pouring half of my money into the tech sector just before the dot.com bubble burst, followed by subscribing to IBD (Investors Business Daily) and trying to follow their buy/sell system.
Mine would be pouring half of my money into the tech sector just before the dot.com bubble burst, followed by subscribing to IBD (Investors Business Daily) and trying to follow their buy/sell system.
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Building any kind of video collection must be considered a mistake now that everything most things can be streamed.finite_difference wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 9:12 pmAt least it wasn’t LaserDisc! I mean even if you went Blu-Ray you’d need to upgrade to 4K Blu-Ray?
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I may have made financial mistakes with lost opportunities, but I cannot, in hindsight, know how those paths would have turned out; e.g., career change or job change.
I have made three expensive financial mistakes since retiring (ten years ago):
1. I allowed my siblings to talk our Mom into gifting us her property before she passed away -- they feared taxmageddon in 2013 -- they were convinced that the limit on estate taxes would drop to $1M -- it did not, instead, we each paid about $60K in cap gains tax on the sale of the gifted property
2. I hired a crook to remodel my house -- I should have listed my house "as is" and bought another house that better met my needs -- I paid the contractor $380K when the bill should have been $250K (cost plus contractor fee) -- but at least I have a nicer house and I can add the cost of home improvement to the cost basis when I sell (reducing cap gains)
3. Biggest mistake: I hired a crook to sue the contractor who remodeled my house -- I finally fired the first lawyer and hired a second lawyer to "stop the bleeding"
I have made three expensive financial mistakes since retiring (ten years ago):
1. I allowed my siblings to talk our Mom into gifting us her property before she passed away -- they feared taxmageddon in 2013 -- they were convinced that the limit on estate taxes would drop to $1M -- it did not, instead, we each paid about $60K in cap gains tax on the sale of the gifted property
2. I hired a crook to remodel my house -- I should have listed my house "as is" and bought another house that better met my needs -- I paid the contractor $380K when the bill should have been $250K (cost plus contractor fee) -- but at least I have a nicer house and I can add the cost of home improvement to the cost basis when I sell (reducing cap gains)
3. Biggest mistake: I hired a crook to sue the contractor who remodeled my house -- I finally fired the first lawyer and hired a second lawyer to "stop the bleeding"
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Buying a stock suggested by the news. Lost $20.
Not buying CDs back in my college years to duration match my expenses.
Making a debit card payment with no money in checking (there was plenty in savings).
Nothing much yet.
Not buying CDs back in my college years to duration match my expenses.
Making a debit card payment with no money in checking (there was plenty in savings).
Nothing much yet.
Passive investing: not about making big bucks but making profits. Active investing: not about beating the market but meeting goals. Speculation: not about timing the market but taking profitable risks.
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I don’t regret the initial loan to keep a roof over his head. I regret the additions to that amount after I realized that he wasn’t being honest with himself much less with me.invest2bfree wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 9:43 amSorry, Loaning a friend who is down and out is not an expensive mistake.Mr. Buzzkill wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:15 pm Biggest financial mistake?
Loaning a little money to a good and dear friend when he and his family were about to evicted. A months rent turned into multiple months rent and I allowed my own good fortune and planning to make me feel guilty.
Then i saw him make bad decisions out of desperation and his ego which I had never before seen. He used my generosity for things other than what he persuaded me that he needed; not luxuries but instead of necessities like getting his car fixed so he could get a new job, he spent money (my money!), out of guilt on private school tuition to keep his kids in a school they liked instead of withdrawing them in favor of free public school. Then asking me for more money!
When I loaned him the original and subsequent funds, I always mentally wrote it off as a loss so I could only be pleasantly surprised to be repaid someday.
But someday never came. He died in middle age without telling his wife and kids what I’m owed. Though I’ve documented the loan amounts and have an email trail, I can’t bring myself to ask his adult children and widow for repayment. They’ve had a hard enough life.
I’m out low-mid five figures plus interest plus opportunity cost of use of the money.
It’s an expensive lesson but it taught me no more unsecured personal loans to anyone except maybe immediate family. And the spigot still gets turned off the first time I’m lied to.
The lesson saved me years later from loaning to another friend to save his business. He found another lender but his business still went under. So I’m break even on the lesson learned, so to speak.
If you are in his shoes then you want your friends to help you.
Think of it as Good Karma you have earned and will be recycled back to you in some other ways.
I allowed my own good fortune, my personal frugality leading to good financial status, and my closeness to him and his family to make me feel guilty by comparison.
Additional lesson: it’s not enough to avoid comparing yourself to to others who have more. One must avoid comparing oneself to others who have less, which is a recipe for guilt-driven decisions.
By all means, give gifts and charity as long as it makes you feel good. But do not let others problems become your problems. I let that happen and it cost me a lot financially.
Emotionally, I’m now at peace with it all. But it was my biggest financial mistake. Will not do it again.
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Agree with this. I went through the same mental exercise, feeling guilty because I was not in the same situation as them (losing their house and cars). BUT I was going through the same thing and not losing my possessions because I did not buy fancy possessions. I'll never feel guilty because I am financially stable again.Mr. Buzzkill wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:56 amI don’t regret the initial loan to keep a roof over his head. I regret the additions to that amount after I realized that he wasn’t being honest with himself much less with me.invest2bfree wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 9:43 amSorry, Loaning a friend who is down and out is not an expensive mistake.Mr. Buzzkill wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 7:15 pm Biggest financial mistake?
Loaning a little money to a good and dear friend when he and his family were about to evicted. A months rent turned into multiple months rent and I allowed my own good fortune and planning to make me feel guilty.
Then i saw him make bad decisions out of desperation and his ego which I had never before seen. He used my generosity for things other than what he persuaded me that he needed; not luxuries but instead of necessities like getting his car fixed so he could get a new job, he spent money (my money!), out of guilt on private school tuition to keep his kids in a school they liked instead of withdrawing them in favor of free public school. Then asking me for more money!
When I loaned him the original and subsequent funds, I always mentally wrote it off as a loss so I could only be pleasantly surprised to be repaid someday.
But someday never came. He died in middle age without telling his wife and kids what I’m owed. Though I’ve documented the loan amounts and have an email trail, I can’t bring myself to ask his adult children and widow for repayment. They’ve had a hard enough life.
I’m out low-mid five figures plus interest plus opportunity cost of use of the money.
It’s an expensive lesson but it taught me no more unsecured personal loans to anyone except maybe immediate family. And the spigot still gets turned off the first time I’m lied to.
The lesson saved me years later from loaning to another friend to save his business. He found another lender but his business still went under. So I’m break even on the lesson learned, so to speak.
If you are in his shoes then you want your friends to help you.
Think of it as Good Karma you have earned and will be recycled back to you in some other ways.
I allowed my own good fortune, my personal frugality leading to good financial status, and my closeness to him and his family to make me feel guilty by comparison.
Additional lesson: it’s not enough to avoid comparing yourself to to others who have more. One must avoid comparing oneself to others who have less, which is a recipe for guilt-driven decisions.
By all means, give gifts and charity as long as it makes you feel good. But do not let others problems become your problems. I let that happen and it cost me a lot financially.
Emotionally, I’m now at peace with it all. But it was my biggest financial mistake. Will not do it again.
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Long ago, we had a stock acquired in a spin-off from another with a value of approximately $10,000 that accelerated rapidly to $80,000 over about two years before turning downward. We "knew" it would recover but ended up selling it for about a 10% profit. Though we invest very infrequently in individual stocks, we sell part or all if it makes major moves, eschewing "momentum investing" for concrete profits and accepting the resulting taxation if the sale cannot be paired with TLH.
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Allowing a relative by marriage to convince me to sell my mother's paid for house 2 years after her death. I was 38 and not smart enough to figure out a way to keep the house. Got $300k for the home in 1987 - it recently re-sold for just under $3 million. 2 blocks from the beach in La Jolla California!
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Hopefully you invested that money and have a nice retirement portfolio!shell921 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:24 am Allowing a relative by marriage to convince me to sell my mother's paid for house 2 years after her death. I was 38 and not smart enough to figure out a way to keep the house. Got $300k for the home in 1987 - it recently re-sold for just under $3 million. 2 blocks from the beach in La Jolla California!
I sold my mother's La Jolla Shores condo in 2017 about eight years after she died for about a $300k profit. It wasn't an easy property to manage, partly because of the debt but also the quality of tenant wasn't what you would expect. A lot of entitlement and expectations. The HOA was difficult and there was a lot of deferred maintenance. While I was sad to give it up it sure was an immense relief to no longer deal with it. It hasn't quite doubled in value over those five years but I can just imagine I would have gotten stuck with a tenant who would have demanded Covid relief and while we could afford it paying the mortgage, HOA fees and taxes with no income would have been a strain. Happy to have dodged that bullet!
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Yes I know what you mean. And yes I did invest and my investment grew so it wasn't all bad. My mom died in 1985 and I rented her house out for 2 years. I had a nice tenant for the first 10 months-a visiting professor from Sweden. He was great and then I had a series of less-than-admirable tenants. The house needed a new roof, new fence, kitchen remodel and misc other things. I felt overwhelmed and was working full time so decided to sell it at the urging of the relative I mentioned. If I had borrowed the $$ to improve the house I probably could have made it back in rent in a couple of years but would have been annoyed at having less than great tenants.
Carefreeap wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 10:13 amHopefully you invested that money and have a nice retirement portfolio!shell921 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:24 am Allowing a relative by marriage to convince me to sell my mother's paid for house 2 years after her death. I was 38 and not smart enough to figure out a way to keep the house. Got $300k for the home in 1987 - it recently re-sold for just under $3 million. 2 blocks from the beach in La Jolla California!
I sold my mother's La Jolla Shores condo in 2017 about eight years after she died for about a $300k profit. It wasn't an easy property to manage, partly because of the debt but also the quality of tenant wasn't what you would expect. A lot of entitlement and expectations. The HOA was difficult and there was a lot of deferred maintenance. While I was sad to give it up it sure was an immense relief to no longer deal with it. It hasn't quite doubled in value over those five years but I can just imagine I would have gotten stuck with a tenant who would have demanded Covid relief and while we could afford it paying the mortgage, HOA fees and taxes with no income would have been a strain. Happy to have dodged that bullet!
I'm fond of staying that perhaps I haven't made the best decisions in my life but I sure could have done a lot worse!
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Weigh 34 years of rent/expenses plus $3M vs $300k invested in the S&P in 87 with divs reinvested. Probably a horse race when you factor in the "active" part of RE vs index funds.shell921 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:24 am Allowing a relative by marriage to convince me to sell my mother's paid for house 2 years after her death. I was 38 and not smart enough to figure out a way to keep the house. Got $300k for the home in 1987 - it recently re-sold for just under $3 million. 2 blocks from the beach in La Jolla California!
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probably not jumping to a FAANG, or being more aggressive about it a few years ago. Now i'm just blah, which has it's own (non-financial) benefits.
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I found MMM and Bogleheads early at 22 (I’m now 23), so I haven’t made any huge mistakes. My biggest regret is not having my financial life together in college from 2017-2021. I had two full-ride scholarships, an on-campus TA job, four well-paid internships, a car from my parents, phone and insurance bills taken care of by my parents, and a cheap apartment in a low/medium cost of living city with roommates. The delta between my minimal living expenses and incoming cashflow was huge for a student! But because I had no financial literacy, I spent most of it on food, gas, and other consumables and invested nothing until my last summer.
I am still in an incredibly fortunate position for a young person, but it goes to show you that learning early makes a huge difference. I would have ~4x my current net worth if I started at 18 instead of 22.
I am still in an incredibly fortunate position for a young person, but it goes to show you that learning early makes a huge difference. I would have ~4x my current net worth if I started at 18 instead of 22.
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Not having 60 - 80% of my investments in equities in my 20's and 30's when I was dollar cost averaging in each paycheck. I was way too conservative with well over half in fixed income. I'd estimate that one cost me close to seven figures, before taxes, over the decades.
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Following the advice of Benjamin Graham (which is often quoted by financial authors) to never have less than 25% of assets is bonds. I followed it when I started investing in 2005 at age 29 for the next 15 years and always kept 25% of my assets in bonds. I remember every year diligently selling off total market to buy bonds and it was a mistake with a stable job and no need for the money for decades.
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Bought an extended warranty on a new vehicle.... TWICE!
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I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray hold up pretty well and have extras. But it’s probably not worth having a huge collection. There are also some very good movies that are not easily found on streaming.Nicolas wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 10:15 pmBuilding any kind of video collection must be considered a mistake now that everything most things can be streamed.finite_difference wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 9:12 pmAt least it wasn’t LaserDisc! I mean even if you went Blu-Ray you’d need to upgrade to 4K Blu-Ray?
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+1. You would have won.deltaneutral83 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:34 amWeigh 34 years of rent/expenses plus $3M vs $300k invested in the S&P in 87 with divs reinvested. Probably a horse race when you factor in the "active" part of RE vs index funds.shell921 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:24 am Allowing a relative by marriage to convince me to sell my mother's paid for house 2 years after her death. I was 38 and not smart enough to figure out a way to keep the house. Got $300k for the home in 1987 - it recently re-sold for just under $3 million. 2 blocks from the beach in La Jolla California!
Why?
Assume 7% market return, than $300K invested in the market index in 1987, would today be worth $3.2M (=FV(.07,2022-1987,-300000,0,0)). So it looks like a horse race. But!...
You would have won because:
--You avoided 35yrs of rental property expenses (lost compounding effect) which would have reduced your profit on $3M sale.
--You avoided 35yrs of renter headaches. (Priceless.)
So maybe your in-law is not such a bad guy after all.
Now, whether you rolled the 1987 sale proceeds into a market index, or not... that decision is all yours.
So your biggest financial mistake was not in listening to your in-law, but in not knowing a better next investment was the market index. (A common theme for all of our young selves.)
Today, the best we can do is to learn from our mistakes... and teach others to avoid them.
Notice in this, you become the person advising to avoid poorer investments. But you take it a step further and guide them to a better investment. (I'm assuming your in-law didn't advise you to, "Sell rental property, invest in market index.")
Which brings up the topic of giving unsolicited financial advice to anyone.
Long story short: It doesn't work. (Result of many forum posts.)
But if anyone "asks" you for financial advice, then you have a chance of being heard. In this case, you can "tell them what you do and why, and point them to resources." It's then up to them to make their own decision. No other course of action is reported to work.
I've found the folks I meet during the workday are too busy to think about retirement planning, then... maybe later. So to simplify the process of getting the information to them, I created a wallet handout with enough information to jump start their learning... which they can review later.
Wallet-sized personal-investing handout to jump start learning: viewtopic.php?t=261584
I now introduce the topic of them planning for their retirement by asking folks if they "...would like to learn the simple investing method used by Warren Buffett to win a $1M bet against 5 hedge funds?" If they say "Yes", then I give them a handout.
Edit. Clarity. Link to handout.
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Bogleheads:
I've made many financial mistakes but probably my worst mistake was attempting to market-time stocks and bonds.
My second worst mistake was my attempt to invest in individual stocks.
Best wishes.
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I've made many financial mistakes but probably my worst mistake was attempting to market-time stocks and bonds.
My second worst mistake was my attempt to invest in individual stocks.
Best wishes.
Taylor
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Investing in digital currencies that were designed to work as a medium of exchange through a computer network that were not reliant on any central authority, such as a government or bank, to uphold or maintain it.
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There is more wisdom in that shared experience than there is in most 400 page books on investing.Taylor Larimore wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:51 pm Bogleheads:
I've made many financial mistakes but probably my worst mistake was attempting to market-time stocks and bonds.
My second worst mistake was my attempt to invest in individual stocks.
Best wishes.
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Two doozies:
1. Many, many years ago I heard about making easy money by selling out of the money (OTM) calls on stocks you own. So I tried it. One of the calls I sold was an AMZN call. It had a nice juicy payout and, if it was called, I'd make a nice profit. Too good to be true. AMZN was probably selling somewhere around $50 back then. Well, AMZN suddenly popped and went way beyond the call price. My AMZN shares were called away. Well, I thought, I'll just wait for the inevitable pull back and rebuy the shares. It never pulled back. And I never re-bought the shares. I refuse to calculate the profits I lost as a result.
1. Bad news, good news. After a down draft, I decided I could make some easy money selling well OTM puts on AAPL. I was greedy and sold more puts than a sane investor had a right to sell, figuring it could never fall that low. Surprise, it fell ITM. To make matters worse, the puts were exercised early, before I could extricate myself from the position. So I became the proud owner of a boatload of AAPL shares that were in a significantly negative position. I decided that I would hold on until those shares became profitable. Well, ten years later, those shares became extremely profitable. The lesson is, you can make money even through the stupidest, most boneheaded mistake.
1. Many, many years ago I heard about making easy money by selling out of the money (OTM) calls on stocks you own. So I tried it. One of the calls I sold was an AMZN call. It had a nice juicy payout and, if it was called, I'd make a nice profit. Too good to be true. AMZN was probably selling somewhere around $50 back then. Well, AMZN suddenly popped and went way beyond the call price. My AMZN shares were called away. Well, I thought, I'll just wait for the inevitable pull back and rebuy the shares. It never pulled back. And I never re-bought the shares. I refuse to calculate the profits I lost as a result.
1. Bad news, good news. After a down draft, I decided I could make some easy money selling well OTM puts on AAPL. I was greedy and sold more puts than a sane investor had a right to sell, figuring it could never fall that low. Surprise, it fell ITM. To make matters worse, the puts were exercised early, before I could extricate myself from the position. So I became the proud owner of a boatload of AAPL shares that were in a significantly negative position. I decided that I would hold on until those shares became profitable. Well, ten years later, those shares became extremely profitable. The lesson is, you can make money even through the stupidest, most boneheaded mistake.
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Not buying VTI at $190 last week. Kidding.
In reality my biggest mistakes were investing too late and being way too conservative in my 401k. A close third was overspending on luxury brand names.
In reality my biggest mistakes were investing too late and being way too conservative in my 401k. A close third was overspending on luxury brand names.
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Purchased a dental practice over 30 yrs ago for 100k@10% interest(seller financed) that essentially failed and I had to walk away from(after 15 yrs)in order to maintain my sanity.
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Fell into gambling addiction. Don't do it...it sucks.
Thankfully my wife helped me get out of it and didn't just walk out the door when I admitted it all to her.
Thankfully my wife helped me get out of it and didn't just walk out the door when I admitted it all to her.
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Nothing disasterous, but probably getting into cars as a hobby. That reminds me, my project has about $2k in parts that need to be ordered to progress it
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Graduating from college in 2008. Meant not being able to find financially meaningful work for basically the subsequent five years. Though, to be fair, some of those years were grad school, but went to grad school because if you were 22 in NYC in 2008-2009, you were pretty lucky to be working a real job.
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From a purely financial perspective, retiring at 53. I probably left $3M on the table. From a life perspective, though, it's been worth every penny. The ultimate luxury acquisition.
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Going to college due to parental pressure and ending up in close to 6 figure debt. Knew the blue collar world was more of my realm.
Don't let people dissuade your own thinking!
Don't let people dissuade your own thinking!
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Honestly none; anything of note I learned from so it was simply the cost of my education.
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+1
I was lucky in that I didn't go into major debt. I borrowed 'only' about $20K and was able to pay it off. But college was still largely a 4-yr waste of time and money. Borrowing 6-figures would have been disastrous for me.
I'm not saying no one should go to college, but only if you have a definite career path requiring it. I was unfocused and got a psychology BA that has been mostly irrelevant for the jobs I've had. People should only go to college if they need and want to. Many parents who pressure their kids to do so are doing them a disservice.
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When I was young and stupid, I got married, we racked up credit card debt and didn't pay it off in full each month (even though we could have with our combined income), and then to top it off, I cashed out my 401K to pay off 1/2 our credit card debt when we divorced.
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Signing up with a (commissioned, non-fiduciary) "financial advisor" right out of college. He put me into some very risky commodity-based mutual funds, which actually did very well over the couple years I was invested. But, none of it was put into a Roth IRA when that would have been obviously a good move. I fired him just before crash of 07-09 and reinvested myself in no-load (but actively managed mutual funds). THOSE funds also did quite well and actually paid for their expenses more-or-less, and then in 2015 or so I switched to all low-cost passive funds. So, missing out on the Roth IRA for about 5 years out of college was my worst financial mistake. Assuming we're not counting children...
Edit: oh yeah, and selling a four or low-five-figure amount of AAPL stock as a sophomore in college to pay for food.
Edit: oh yeah, and selling a four or low-five-figure amount of AAPL stock as a sophomore in college to pay for food.
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Thinking more about it, maybe it will end up being putting $100k into Hedgefundie’s adventure in 12/2022 at near market highes, now down close to 45% in 5 months. Will see in 5 years if it ends up being a mistake.
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Finding this forum 15 years after I should have found it. Wish I had been following this set of "rules" since I got my first good job. Would be in a very different place. That being said I am quite grateful and doing quite well based on the principles of keep it simple, low cost index funds etc.
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Decades ago while playing online poker, I had already lost something like $15k (all my money). So I took the max cash advance I had access to on a credit card (~$8k) because I was SURE I could turn my losing streak around. All on the same day.
A lot of the $15k was prior poker winnings, but still...
You can probably guess what happened.
A lot of the $15k was prior poker winnings, but still...
You can probably guess what happened.
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Ah actually the $300k invested in VFINX in 1987 is...... (insert drum roll here):deltaneutral83 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:34 amWeigh 34 years of rent/expenses plus $3M vs $300k invested in the S&P in 87 with divs reinvested. Probably a horse race when you factor in the "active" part of RE vs index funds.shell921 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:24 am Allowing a relative by marriage to convince me to sell my mother's paid for house 2 years after her death. I was 38 and not smart enough to figure out a way to keep the house. Got $300k for the home in 1987 - it recently re-sold for just under $3 million. 2 blocks from the beach in La Jolla California!
$10,594,746 - you hit a home run if you invested the entire proceeds in VFINX!
Stay the course!
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- Lending money to an SO who only paid back a few hundred. But another time I gave money to a good friend and didn't expect it back, but he paid me back with an extra $300 as a thank you. So it's not always a bad thing, but I probably wouldn't lend again.
- Buying a small boat and a couple other expensive toys. The total was under $10,000, but still, I wish I hadn't.
- Living with an SO whose out of control spending spilled into my credit cards.
But I don't beat myself up about these things. I learned from them and for the most part, I've made good financial decisions like living frugally, buying a house in 2010 and buying inexpensive cars, new, and taking good care of them. Oh, and not having kids although that wasn't just because of the financial drain.
Thank you to all who shared stories so we can all continue learning.
- Buying a small boat and a couple other expensive toys. The total was under $10,000, but still, I wish I hadn't.
- Living with an SO whose out of control spending spilled into my credit cards.
But I don't beat myself up about these things. I learned from them and for the most part, I've made good financial decisions like living frugally, buying a house in 2010 and buying inexpensive cars, new, and taking good care of them. Oh, and not having kids although that wasn't just because of the financial drain.
Thank you to all who shared stories so we can all continue learning.
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Was going to say this. Investing $300k in even a 30/70 (i.e. extremely conservative) portfolio over that timeframe would have given you about $3.5M. Missing out on the real estate appreciation was a nothing burger, although failing to invest the money in some sort of reasonable portfolio could have been a big mistake.HMSVictory wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 5:40 pmAh actually the $300k invested in VFINX in 1987 is...... (insert drum roll here):deltaneutral83 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:34 amWeigh 34 years of rent/expenses plus $3M vs $300k invested in the S&P in 87 with divs reinvested. Probably a horse race when you factor in the "active" part of RE vs index funds.shell921 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:24 am Allowing a relative by marriage to convince me to sell my mother's paid for house 2 years after her death. I was 38 and not smart enough to figure out a way to keep the house. Got $300k for the home in 1987 - it recently re-sold for just under $3 million. 2 blocks from the beach in La Jolla California!
$10,594,746 - you hit a home run if you invested the entire proceeds in VFINX!
Global Market Portfolio + modest tilt towards volatility (80/20->60/40 as approach FI) + modest tilt away from exchange rate risk (80% global+20% U.S. stocks; currency-hedge bonds) + tax optimization
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Only 1 mistake in 30 years - not investing in the 3-onley. I ama slow learner.
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Worst mistake? Not discovering this forum/philosophy in the late 90's, and allowing a broker to talk me into taking a margin loan rather than selling stocks to pay for a kitchen/sunroom/dining room remodel project. Worldcom, Broadcom, Global Crossing, etc., etc., just before the crash. A very painful lesson. Basically wiped out my taxable account at the time.
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In dumbest, buying MCI / Worldcom stock about 2 years before it imploded. But it was a tiny amount of "play money" so actual cost was small.
Most costly: Not knowing enough about investing, and being far too conservative with my retirement account for the first several decades of working. Very high lost opportunity cost. But did save, did max out excellent match, plus more, so not really suffering from the mistake.
Unknown cost: Not investing in Oracle when it went public. I was convinced it was a winner back before it went public, looked into it and found out it was private, then didn't check back into it.
So overall, can't really complain.
Most costly: Not knowing enough about investing, and being far too conservative with my retirement account for the first several decades of working. Very high lost opportunity cost. But did save, did max out excellent match, plus more, so not really suffering from the mistake.
Unknown cost: Not investing in Oracle when it went public. I was convinced it was a winner back before it went public, looked into it and found out it was private, then didn't check back into it.
So overall, can't really complain.
"No man is free who must work for a living." (Illya Kuryakin)
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well said
Every bull market is a fountain of regret. Every vacation, depreciating consumer good, restaurant meal, indulgence, etc. bought in the 2009-2015 time frame is a huge mistake because its hypothetical future value just keeps growing.
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My addiction to cars
You can do anything you want in life. The rub is that there are consequences.
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Making 1m selling a company Dec 1999 and putting all the proceeds into tech at the suggestion of a broker. In a few months my account shot to 1.6m and my wife thought we should sell and move into something more conservative, to which I said "your crazy", I got out with 200K
To her credit my wife never said I told you so, but I was pretty discouraged.
To her credit my wife never said I told you so, but I was pretty discouraged.
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Buying $10k worth of calls over a few week period and losing it all. Good tuition.