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Has it ever been considered to have a 48-72 hour waiting period from when an account is created and when a first post can be created?

This came to mind (again) when I ran across this post.

This poster was a member for 4 minutes before putting this particular post up.

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That wait time would force a new user to learn a few forum rules, see what the forum is actually about etc before throwing up a post like this (clearly few here use Advisors, basis of BH is self-management)

Waiting periods are common on other forums I visit, mainly to prevent SPAM posts but also to force a new user to look around a little before launching a bunch of questions that have been answered previously or posting something that has nothing to do w/ the forum itself.

This would also create fewer threads to moderate (probably not a ton, but some anyway).

Thanks. :beer
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F150HD wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:36 am Has it ever been considered to have a 48-72 hour waiting period from when an account is created and when a first post can be created?

This came to mind (again) when I ran across this post.

This poster was a member for 4 minutes before putting this particular post up.

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That wait time would force a new user to learn a few forum rules, see what the forum is actually about etc before throwing up a post like this (clearly few here use Advisors, basis of BH is self-management)

Waiting periods are common on other forums I visit, mainly to prevent SPAM posts but also to force a new user to look around a little before launching a bunch of questions that have been answered previously or posting something that has nothing to do w/ the forum itself.

This would also create fewer threads to moderate (probably not a ton, but some anyway).

Thanks. :beer
Perhaps there are many that read the forum for a long time before registering, for various reasons.
And, at that point, there is a sense of urgency and "need", and "courage?" that has had to happen to seek help.
And, there, the forum provides a valuable service to the community.

Having a "waiting period" might or might not be discouraging to that process.
And, while a "waiting period" may have some benefits, there might also be some downside that is not good.

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F150HD wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:36 am Has it ever been considered to have a 48-72 hour waiting period from when an account is created and when a first post can be created?

This came to mind (again) when I ran across this post.

This poster was a member for 4 minutes before putting this particular post up.

Image

That wait time would force a new user to learn a few forum rules, see what the forum is actually about etc before throwing up a post like this (clearly few here use Advisors, basis of BH is self-management)

Waiting periods are common on other forums I visit, mainly to prevent SPAM posts but also to force a new user to look around a little before launching a bunch of questions that have been answered previously or posting something that has nothing to do w/ the forum itself.

This would also create fewer threads to moderate (probably not a ton, but some anyway).

Thanks. :beer
I hear this, but doubt that it would "force" new users to look around a little.
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What about all the other anti-boglehead investing schemes etc on here?? Bizarre.
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Carguy85 wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:48 am What about all the other anti-boglehead investing schemes etc on here?? Bizarre.
I’m pro bogglehead but isn’t a discussion board for... discussion? Shouldn’t other views and perspectives be welcomed?
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A waiting period might dissuade new posters from actually posting. I read the forum for years (and years) before my first post. A discussion on Florida Keys travel finally lured me in. The discussion would have been over in 48-72 hours.
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goingup wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:55 am A waiting period might dissuade new posters from actually posting. I read the forum for years (and years) before my first post. A discussion on Florida Keys travel finally lured me in. The discussion would have been over in 48-72 hours.
Same. Unless the mods feel they are overwhelmed with spam and inappropriate first posts, I think features that discourage participation are not a good idea.

The example cited in the OP may not seem to be a good topic for Bogleheads, but there are plenty of threads that have literally nothing to do with investing (how do I buy a car from the other side of the country) - a new visitor might get the impression this is a car forum. :)
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I think there's a waiting period before you can make a post that contains a URL in it?

I don't think a waiting period for the first post would help. I think it would discourage participation by the people we want to have participating and create the sense of clubbiness and exclusion of outsiders.

I'm not serious about this but there are times I've wished that members had to pass a short quiz before making their first post. Something like this:

1) Define "Bogle."
a) Vintner in Clarksville, CA
b) Word game using lettered dice
c) Developer of the first index fund, according to Bogle
d) Supernatural beings in Scots folklore, reputed to live for the simple purpose of perplexing humankind, rather than seriously harming or serving them

2) What slogan is associated with the late John C. Bogle?
a) "Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful."
b) "Buy what you know."
c) "Stay the course."
d) "Clearly, sustained low inflation implies less uncertainty about the future, and lower risk premiums imply higher prices of stocks and other earning assets. We can see that in the inverse relationship exhibited by price/earnings ratios and the rate of inflation in the past. But how do we know when irrational exuberance has unduly escalated asset values, which then become subject to unexpected and prolonged contractions as they have in Japan over the past decade?"

3) What investing strategy did John C. Bogle recommend?
a) "Sell when the 50-day simple moving average crosses to the downside of the 200-day simple moving average, and vice versa."
b) "Hold multiple uncorrelated assets representing independent risk factors such as value, momentum, and spectral radiosity."
c) "Don't look for the needle in the haystack. Just buy the haystack."
d) "Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it."
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Is spam really that big of an issue that we need a waiting period? Like others have said, new users might have been lurking for years and this would discourage new users from posting topics. Also, plenty of long-time users post things about marketing timing, etc.
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nisiprius wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:15 am I think there's a waiting period before you can make a post that contains a URL in it?

I don't think a waiting period for the first post would help. I think it would discourage participation by the people we want to have participating and create the sense of clubbiness and exclusion of outsiders.

I'm not serious about this but there are times I've wished that members had to pass a short quiz before making their first post. Something like this:

1) Define "Bogle."
a) Vintner in Clarksville, CA
b) Word game using lettered dice
c) Developer of the first index fund
d) Supernatural beings in Scots folklore, reputed to live for the simple purpose of perplexing humankind, rather than seriously harming or serving them

2) What slogan is associated with the late John C. Bogle?
a) "Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful."
b) "Buy what you know."
c) "Stay the course."
d) "Clearly, sustained low inflation implies less uncertainty about the future, and lower risk premiums imply higher prices of stocks and other earning assets. We can see that in the inverse relationship exhibited by price/earnings ratios and the rate of inflation in the past. But how do we know when irrational exuberance has unduly escalated asset values, which then become subject to unexpected and prolonged contractions as they have in Japan over the past decade?"

3) What investing strategy did John C. Bogle recommend?
a) "Sell when the 50-day simple moving average crosses to the downside of the 200-day simple moving average, and vice versa."
b) "Hold multiple uncorrelated assets representing independent risk factors such as value, momentum, and spectral radiosity."
c) "Don't look for the needle in the haystack. Just buy the haystack."
d) "Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it."
I may be cast out for saying this, but Jack Bogle did not develop the first index fund. Wells Fargo did that in 1971. It would be unfortunate if you failed your own test. :P
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whodidntante wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:39 am I may be cast out for saying this, but Jack Bogle did not develop the first index fund. Wells Fargo did that in 1971. It would be unfortunate if you failed your own test. :P
...and I may be incorrect, but I believe WF's creation was an "account" which didn't track an index but rather the entire NYSE (banks were prohibited from running mutual funds). Additionally, I don't believe that this account was available to individual retail investors. That distinction belongs to Bogle's original index fund.
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F150HD wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:36 am Has it ever been considered to have a 48-72 hour waiting period from when an account is created and when a first post can be created?
From the FAQ, see help/faq#f4r11
Why does my post need to be approved?
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Many people lurk (read as a guest) until they are either comfortable to ask a question or provide an answer. Once they are ready, they register and post and await approval (if required per the FAQ).

Any waiting period before registered and being able to post would only discourage people from joining the discussion. Have you ever had to wait for the account validation email when registering somewhere? Ever get frustrated when it take more than a few minutes. Imagine having to wait 48-72 hours. Would you give up? I would.
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Sandtrap wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:11 am
Perhaps there are many that read the forum for a long time before registering, for various reasons.
And, at that point, there is a sense of urgency and "need", and "courage?" that has had to happen to seek help.
And, there, the forum provides a valuable service to the community.
+1

Long-time reader here but new member. I have responded to a number of sound first posts from others.

I don't think I registered until I had a key question.

There are plenty of sketchy posts from longer-term members :D.

I am on another forum unrelated to personal finance (probably the opposite) where the majority of first posts are spam or thinly-veiled self-advertising.
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whodidntante wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:39 am
I may be cast out for saying this, but Jack Bogle did not develop the first index fund. Wells Fargo did that in 1971. It would be unfortunate if you failed your own test. :P
But maybe the point is to get the "right" answers, not the correct ones.
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EddyB wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:35 pm
whodidntante wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:39 am
I may be cast out for saying this, but Jack Bogle did not develop the first index fund. Wells Fargo did that in 1971. It would be unfortunate if you failed your own test. :P
But maybe the point is to get the "right" answers, not the correct ones.
LOL. I'm sure some posters here would appreciate that very much.
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As noted here:
Peculiar_Investor wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:08 pm
F150HD wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:36 am Has it ever been considered to have a 48-72 hour waiting period from when an account is created and when a first post can be created?
From the FAQ, see help/faq#f4r11
Why does my post need to be approved?
The board administrator may have decided that posts in the forum you are posting to require review before submission. It is also possible that the administrator has placed you in a group of users whose posts require review before submission. Please contact the board administrator for further details.
Many people lurk (read as a guest) until they are either comfortable to ask a question or provide an answer. Once they are ready, they register and post and await approval (if required per the FAQ).

Any waiting period before registered and being able to post would only discourage people from joining the discussion. Have you ever had to wait for the account validation email when registering somewhere? Ever get frustrated when it take more than a few minutes. Imagine having to wait 48-72 hours. Would you give up? I would.
There will be no waiting period before the first post can be created.
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Perhaps its just me, but I would take posts like the one quoted in OP as an opportunity to teach the new poster about the Boglehead way, instead of rejecting them for asking about an advisor. And perhaps in that conversation, I might learn that the person had a valid need for an advisor. There is no one-size-fits-all model for savings and investing. The fact that someone is interested at all should be nurtured and encouraged. They might ultimately choose a different path, but at least they'll have the data to make an informed decision.

And I also agree about the lurker phenomena. There are some places where I have lurked for well over a decade without actually making an account. Simple moderation, without the need for a multi-day waiting period, handles the occasional spammers that pop out of the woodwork. Everyone else is an opportunity for discourse and education.
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Of more benefit would be a limitation that I not post until I’ve had coffee and let it do its work for at least an hour.

I notice a very high inverse correlation between my brain farts and caffeination level. I know, I know, sometimes I will post a whopper midday, but ...
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Maybe that OP just came into a billion dollars and is looking for some financial advice, and quick! :mrgreen:
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Peculiar_Investor wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:08 pm Any waiting period before registered and being able to post would only discourage people from joining the discussion. Have you ever had to wait for the account validation email when registering somewhere? Ever get frustrated when it take more than a few minutes. Imagine having to wait 48-72 hours. Would you give up? I would.
I am on multiple other boards (not financial ones) and they all had waiting periods before a first post could be put up. Its mainly for spam, but if its truly somewhere you are interested in reading, 24 hours (or whatever timeframe) isn't a big deal.

I don't see a ton of spam here (yet) but this came to mind today. I think new posters could benefit from being forced to look around a little anyway, I know I would have benefitted if I had back when.
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Peculiar_Investor wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:08 pm
F150HD wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:36 am Has it ever been considered to have a 48-72 hour waiting period from when an account is created and when a first post can be created?
From the FAQ, see help/faq#f4r11
Why does my post need to be approved?
The board administrator may have decided that posts in the forum you are posting to require review before submission. It is also possible that the administrator has placed you in a group of users whose posts require review before submission. Please contact the board administrator for further details.
I suspect that is just part of the generic phpBB FAQ and not implemented/configured by this installation, like some other options.
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whodidntante wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:39 am
nisiprius wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:15 am...1) Define "Bogle."
...c) Developer of the first index fund
I may be cast out for saying this, but Jack Bogle did not develop the first index fund. Wells Fargo did that in 1971. It would be unfortunate if you failed your own test. :P
I'm aware of the controversy. But it's like arguing that motion pictures were invented by William Friese-Greene, or that the telephone was invented by Antonio Meucci. Or that Samuel Pierpont Langley should be considered the inventor of the aeroplane because he invented a machine that he crashed, but that was capable of flying, as was proved later by a successful flight

You are referring to a short-lived experiment with an equal-weighted fund created solely for use by the pension fund of the Samsonite company. I actually debated with myself about using the safer and more qualified phrase "the first retail index fund." The problem is... I can't find the actual quotation right now but I'm sure... that John C. Bogle himself explicitly rejected that qualifier. Perhaps I can add the qualifier "according to Bogle."
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Mudpuppy wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:38 pm Perhaps its just me, but I would take posts like the one quoted in OP as an opportunity to teach the new poster about the Boglehead way, instead of rejecting them for asking about an advisor. And perhaps in that conversation, I might learn that the person had a valid need for an advisor. There is no one-size-fits-all model for savings and investing.
And I think that is pretty much what happened.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=337364

A good thread, I think.
And I also agree about the lurker phenomena. There are some places where I have lurked for well over a decade without actually making an account. Simple moderation, without the need for a multi-day waiting period, handles the occasional spammers that pop out of the woodwork. Everyone else is an opportunity for discourse and education.
I lurked here for years before something made me create an account. On the other hand I created an account on another forum last week just about 20 minutes after stumbling upon it to ask a very specific question. I did do some searches for existing threads, but ultimately decided to just ask for help... and had my answer a few hours later. If there had been a waiting period, I would have had to create a todo-list task to remind me to come back after 48-72 hrs. Not very user friendly, and for urgent questions defeats the purpose of the forum.
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TravelGeek wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:56 pm
Peculiar_Investor wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:08 pm
F150HD wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:36 am Has it ever been considered to have a 48-72 hour waiting period from when an account is created and when a first post can be created?
From the FAQ, see help/faq#f4r11
Why does my post need to be approved?
The board administrator may have decided that posts in the forum you are posting to require review before submission. It is also possible that the administrator has placed you in a group of users whose posts require review before submission. Please contact the board administrator for further details.
I suspect that is just part of the generic phpBB FAQ and not implemented/configured by this installation, like some other options.
The FAQ is implemented. New member posts are reviewed prior to submission.

To save another question, new member posts are reviewed to ensure they comply with the Forum Policies.
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I wish people would stop telling others to do an exhaustive search before posting a question. This is a personal finance board. This isn't an optimized archive of all financial knowledge, it's a forum to ask questions and hopefully receive good answers. (But see the Wiki for overarching financial knowledge.)

As such, I see no issue with people posting questions relating to their personal situation, whether or not the topic has been covered previously. Everyone's situation is different. If you have nothing to contribute to a topic, then let it go. I've started reading countless posts that turn out to have nothing to do with my situation, but then I move on. Many of the first replies to a post are snarky and offhand, not very useful, no matter how true they may be. I've learned to ignore them.

I do wish people would post with more descriptive titles, to more easily separate the wheat from the chaff. The mods help by sometimes adding information to the titles.
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It just doesn’t seem to be a problem.
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nisiprius wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:56 pm
whodidntante wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:39 am
nisiprius wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:15 am...1) Define "Bogle."
...c) Developer of the first index fund
I may be cast out for saying this, but Jack Bogle did not develop the first index fund. Wells Fargo did that in 1971. It would be unfortunate if you failed your own test. :P
I'm aware of the controversy. But it's like arguing that motion pictures were invented by William Friese-Greene, or that the telephone was invented by Antonio Meucci. Or that Samuel Pierpont Langley should be considered the inventor of the aeroplane because he invented a machine that he crashed, but that was capable of flying, as was proved later by a successful flight

You are referring to a short-lived experiment with an equal-weighted fund created solely for use by the pension fund of the Samsonite company. I actually debated with myself about using the safer and more qualified phrase "the first retail index fund." The problem is... I can't find the actual quotation right now but I'm sure... that John C. Bogle himself explicitly rejected that qualifier. Perhaps I can add the qualifier "according to Bogle."
I wouldn't call it a controversy. Jack Bogle just wasn't first. There is no shame in that. Bogle still made important contributions in his life. Steve Jobs didn't develop the first GUI or the first mouse, but he didn't need to do that to be an important figure.
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whodidntante wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:55 am
nisiprius wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:56 pm
whodidntante wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:39 am
nisiprius wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:15 am...1) Define "Bogle."
...c) Developer of the first index fund
I may be cast out for saying this, but Jack Bogle did not develop the first index fund. Wells Fargo did that in 1971. It would be unfortunate if you failed your own test. :P
I'm aware of the controversy. But it's like arguing that motion pictures were invented by William Friese-Greene, or that the telephone was invented by Antonio Meucci. Or that Samuel Pierpont Langley should be considered the inventor of the aeroplane because he invented a machine that he crashed, but that was capable of flying, as was proved later by a successful flight

You are referring to a short-lived experiment with an equal-weighted fund created solely for use by the pension fund of the Samsonite company. I actually debated with myself about using the safer and more qualified phrase "the first retail index fund." The problem is... I can't find the actual quotation right now but I'm sure... that John C. Bogle himself explicitly rejected that qualifier. Perhaps I can add the qualifier "according to Bogle."
I wouldn't call it a controversy. Jack Bogle just wasn't first. There is no shame in that. Bogle still made important contributions in his life. Steve Jobs didn't develop the first GUI or the first mouse, but he didn't need to do that to be an important figure.
I believe the correct answer is
1) Define "Bogle."
a) Vintner in Clarksville, CA
https://boglewinery.com/#
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heartwood wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:02 pm
whodidntante wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:55 am
nisiprius wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:56 pm
whodidntante wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:39 am
nisiprius wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:15 am...1) Define "Bogle."
...c) Developer of the first index fund
I may be cast out for saying this, but Jack Bogle did not develop the first index fund. Wells Fargo did that in 1971. It would be unfortunate if you failed your own test. :P
I'm aware of the controversy. But it's like arguing that motion pictures were invented by William Friese-Greene, or that the telephone was invented by Antonio Meucci. Or that Samuel Pierpont Langley should be considered the inventor of the aeroplane because he invented a machine that he crashed, but that was capable of flying, as was proved later by a successful flight

You are referring to a short-lived experiment with an equal-weighted fund created solely for use by the pension fund of the Samsonite company. I actually debated with myself about using the safer and more qualified phrase "the first retail index fund." The problem is... I can't find the actual quotation right now but I'm sure... that John C. Bogle himself explicitly rejected that qualifier. Perhaps I can add the qualifier "according to Bogle."
I wouldn't call it a controversy. Jack Bogle just wasn't first. There is no shame in that. Bogle still made important contributions in his life. Steve Jobs didn't develop the first GUI or the first mouse, but he didn't need to do that to be an important figure.
I believe the correct answer is
1) Define "Bogle."
a) Vintner in Clarksville, CA
https://boglewinery.com/#
I think for many Financial Advisors that the correct answer must be d:

d) Supernatural being that lives for the purpose of perplexing humankind

I can’t think of a more perplexing force (unless they happen to be one of the rare breeds of fiduciary duty Financial Advisors)
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Re: 48-72 hour waiting period for first post?

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I lurked here for a few years before deciding to start posting.
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Re: 48-72 hour waiting period for first post?

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I am an older poster, but my last two posts did not show up.
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Re: 48-72 hour waiting period for first post?

Post by Mudpuppy »

neveragain wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:41 pm I am an older poster, but my last two posts did not show up.
They might have gotten moved to a more appropriate subforum. Check under "Your posts" in the forum interface to try to find them. To access that, click on the following link when you are logged in: search.php?search_id=egosearch

If they are not there, check for a message from the moderators under Private messages on the top right of the screen when you're in the forum interface.

Also, you might have had just really bad luck with your Internet glitching out right when you were trying to submit those posts. It happens from time to time. Murphy's Law seems to dictate it happens more with longer posts, although that's probably more of a memory bias as we get more annoyed when the void swallows our longer posts.
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Re: 48-72 hour waiting period for first post?

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I don’t think a waiting period to post will deter spammers.

A few years ago, there were insurance salesmen posting under various user names on the forum. And I received unsolicited and unwelcome PMs from them when I posted to some kind of insurance threads.

The solutions? Contact a forum moderator.
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Re: 48-72 hour waiting period for first post?

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People post negatively about Gatekeeping on other forums. I'd just let the moderators deal with it in their own ways.
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