2022 Any Great Free Password Managers?
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KeePass with the database stored on an online drive such as google drive. Accessible anywhere you have a data connection.
I use KeePass DX to access the database on Android devices.
I use KeePass DX to access the database on Android devices.
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Not necessarily, it may be possible to access your Google account without your computer.
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If that were the case, I'd be in big trouble regardless of how my passwords are stored.
But even then, that would not be enough to get to my passwords. You'd also need to know my passphrase.
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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Running KeePass here on my Linux box. No issues.punkinhead wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:35 am My wife and I have been using KeePass for several years on our PCs, phones, and tablets.
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I think I pay $40/year for 1Password. Compared to all the other expenses in my life, this seems like a pretty great deal for a very good product.
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As I indicated several times, they are stored encrypted with my passphrase, and are not visible to google.
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+1
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The vast majority of people who use Google's password manager do not do that and don't know how to do that. For them, a dedicated password manager would be more secure.
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But why do you suppose it's easy to hack into your Google account? I'm sure people add 2FA to it these days even if they don't passphrase-protect their passwords.
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Vast majority of people don't use any password manager.mptfan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:15 pmThe vast majority of people who use Google's password manager do not do that and don't know how to do that. For them, a dedicated password manager would be more secure.
For them, Chrome's built-in one, even with default settings, is a gigantic improvement.
For those few that are more cautious, one could argue that enabling passphrase is a much easier (and often more economical) alternative to adding complexity with 3rd party software, even if some of it didn't have less stellar safety record than Google.
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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People need to get their priorities straight. If your email is not secure, nothing is. It really is the key to your digital kingdom.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:16 pmBut why do you suppose it's easy to hack into your Google account? I'm sure people add 2FA to it these days even if they don't passphrase-protect their passwords.
Of course, not everyone uses Google for email. I think that also is a mistake:)
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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I do not suppose that.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:16 pm But why do you suppose it's easy to hack into your Google account?
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Yeah, Chrome passwords works fine. It is not my single source of truth (which is KeePass) but for day-to-day, Chrome is all I use.Vulcan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:23 pmPeople need to get their priorities straight. If your email is not secure, nothing is. It really is the key to your digital kingdom.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:16 pmBut why do you suppose it's easy to hack into your Google account? I'm sure people add 2FA to it these days even if they don't passphrase-protect their passwords.
Of course, not everyone uses Google for email. I think that also is a mistake:)
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Same.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:29 pmYeah, Chrome passwords works fine. It is not my single source of truth (which is KeePass) but for day-to-day, Chrome is all I use.Vulcan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:23 pmPeople need to get their priorities straight. If your email is not secure, nothing is. It really is the key to your digital kingdom.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:16 pmBut why do you suppose it's easy to hack into your Google account? I'm sure people add 2FA to it these days even if they don't passphrase-protect their passwords.
Of course, not everyone uses Google for email. I think that also is a mistake:)
Though more and more often I do not bother adding new passwords to KeePass. I just occasionally export Chrome's password list to a CSV on my VeraCrypt volume.
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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But that's the thing: in which particular scenario does it provide better security over passphrase-encrypted Chrome password manager, assuming one doesn't have a bad habit of leaving their computer unlocked where malicious actors can access it?
3rd party password managers sell a lot of FUD. Their very business survival depends on it. I am not buying.
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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I like KeePass because it isn't just user/pass combo I jot down. For example, the secret questions / answers are also jotted down for the same site, along with the creds.
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Yes, I use it for those cases as well. It's a great, ultra-secure tool to complement Chrome's built-in pwd manager.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:37 pmI like KeePass because it isn't just user/pass combo I jot down. For example, the secret questions / answers are also jotted down for the same site, along with the creds.
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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You built quite a few assumptions into that question. As I stated before, I am referring to the vast majority of people who do not use passphrase encryption, for them using a dedicated password manager is more secure.
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Ooops. Yep, this is the one I use now. Switched from plain KeePass a couple of years ago.RANkiDEr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:00 pm I like KeePassXC. If you need an added layer of security it works with Yubikey.
https://keepassxc.org/
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You can save all your passwords to your Google account if you want to make it easy for them. They already know you better than your mom.
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Apparently I have a grandfathered version of 1Password. Any word on when we’ll get switched?
It looks like the subscription cost is $2.99/month or $36/year, or $4.99/month for your family ($60/year). To be honest, I can’t think of a better way to spend the money.
It looks like the subscription cost is $2.99/month or $36/year, or $4.99/month for your family ($60/year). To be honest, I can’t think of a better way to spend the money.
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I am a bit paranoid of using online password managers.
So, I use KeePass.
I don’t even have it installed as I run it directly from a thumb drive with the database on the same thumb drive.
The thumb drive is encrypted so I have to enter a password word to access it then enter a password to access KeePass.
I back up the thumb drive to another encrypted thumb drive so I have a copy should the original get corrupted or something.
I keep KeePass open just long enough to get the password I need and it auto logs out after a minute or so.
I may venture into storing the KeePass DB on google drive or DropBox in the future but would be nervous doing so.
So, I use KeePass.
I don’t even have it installed as I run it directly from a thumb drive with the database on the same thumb drive.
The thumb drive is encrypted so I have to enter a password word to access it then enter a password to access KeePass.
I back up the thumb drive to another encrypted thumb drive so I have a copy should the original get corrupted or something.
I keep KeePass open just long enough to get the password I need and it auto logs out after a minute or so.
I may venture into storing the KeePass DB on google drive or DropBox in the future but would be nervous doing so.
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Re: 2022 Any Great Free Password Managers?
Than not enabling passphrase encryption?
Perhaps.
But so is enabling passphrase encryption. Which is simpler and cheaper than buying and dealing with an extra piece of software.
So when someone asks "what is the best password manager for me?", the most likely answer, for most people, is "you already have it in Chrome, just enable passphrase encryption" rather than "go buy another piece of software and install it on all your devices".
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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Why? It's encrypted.
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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Bitwarden it’s open source.
Don’t trap yourself into something that you NEED to pay for.
Especially something as vital as your passwords.
iOS Mac windows browser apps are good
you can self host if you want.
Free basic hosting- sync is a bit slow at times. But I don’t know how quick the others are.
Don’t trap yourself into something that you NEED to pay for.
Especially something as vital as your passwords.
iOS Mac windows browser apps are good
you can self host if you want.
Free basic hosting- sync is a bit slow at times. But I don’t know how quick the others are.
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+1 for Bitwarden. Have been using it for three years. When a problem arose with a site I use daily, they responded and fixed it quickly.
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They are only decrypted locally on your PC. As with any other password manager, you have to trust them their software does what they say it does.international001 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:00 amAllow me a stupid question. If google cannot read your passwords, how does chrome do autofill of passwords when trying to log in Vanguard.com?
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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I know, I’m just a nervous type when it comes to this kind of stuff.
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i was waiting for bitwarden to implement lastpass's emergency access feature. they finally did some time last year so when my subscription was up i switched to bitwarden.
emergency access lets another person you select request access to your account, and if you don't respond within X time, they are granted access. useful for the worst case scenarios.
anywho, password manager is a password manager is a password manager.
the feature in BW that i really really like is its integrated 2FA. yes, it's less secure, but i'm fine to forgo the security for convenience. with BW, after it auto-fills the username/password, it automatically copies the 6 digit code to the clipboard, so you just Ctrl+V on the next screen and you're in. no more getting your phone (which might be in another room), opening the app, finding the website, looking for the code, hope it has more than ~10 seconds remaining for you to copy, etc.
BW itself is still 2FA protected outside of BW.
it's all audited and open source, so if you wanted to run it yourself you can (and i have). but it's a great product and i want to support the developers, and the $40/yr family plan is very reasonable. also, if emergency access ever needed to be used, that means i'm not around to make sure my server is still up and running.
emergency access lets another person you select request access to your account, and if you don't respond within X time, they are granted access. useful for the worst case scenarios.
anywho, password manager is a password manager is a password manager.
the feature in BW that i really really like is its integrated 2FA. yes, it's less secure, but i'm fine to forgo the security for convenience. with BW, after it auto-fills the username/password, it automatically copies the 6 digit code to the clipboard, so you just Ctrl+V on the next screen and you're in. no more getting your phone (which might be in another room), opening the app, finding the website, looking for the code, hope it has more than ~10 seconds remaining for you to copy, etc.
BW itself is still 2FA protected outside of BW.
it's all audited and open source, so if you wanted to run it yourself you can (and i have). but it's a great product and i want to support the developers, and the $40/yr family plan is very reasonable. also, if emergency access ever needed to be used, that means i'm not around to make sure my server is still up and running.
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I use the paid, licensed version of 1Password for all of my password management. It works great and I am very happy with it. I have purchased two successive-generation licenses since 2014. The total cost has worked out to about $11 per year. Unfortunately, 1Password has ended support for the licensed version, so it will stop working in a year or two as MacOS progresses to new configurations.
Since 2018, I have used Dashlane's premium desktop version, at a cost of about $25 per year, for just one feature - an Emergency Access setup that allowed our adult children to request emergency access to an encrypted set of passwords that would give them access to all of our financial and estate planning documents if we should ever die or become incapacitated. I'm still here, so they never needed it, but it was a very slick feature. So far, we have not shared our financial and estate planning info with them, although we may do so at some point in the future, especially if we ever need help managing our own finances, or if they initiate their own estate planning.
Similar to 1Password, Dashlane has unfortunately ended support for their Emergency Access feature. As a result, I have just started a premium level Bitwarden account, at the exorbitant price of $10 per year. Bitwarden's premium version offers the same Emergency Access feature Dashlane has dropped, so I have dropped Dashlane.
Since 2018, I have used Dashlane's premium desktop version, at a cost of about $25 per year, for just one feature - an Emergency Access setup that allowed our adult children to request emergency access to an encrypted set of passwords that would give them access to all of our financial and estate planning documents if we should ever die or become incapacitated. I'm still here, so they never needed it, but it was a very slick feature. So far, we have not shared our financial and estate planning info with them, although we may do so at some point in the future, especially if we ever need help managing our own finances, or if they initiate their own estate planning.
Similar to 1Password, Dashlane has unfortunately ended support for their Emergency Access feature. As a result, I have just started a premium level Bitwarden account, at the exorbitant price of $10 per year. Bitwarden's premium version offers the same Emergency Access feature Dashlane has dropped, so I have dropped Dashlane.
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I have been using Password Safe (an open source password store) for years - and really like it. https://pwsafe.org/ It's also open source. Open source is the best type of "free" since those are supported by the community. Password safe also has an Android app that is really great. Combine Password Safe with Dropbox or another cloud file provider (google drive, etc) where you can store the file containing the encrypted passwords - and then you have a complete and free cloud based password safe. Has really worked well for me.
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I'd go with Bitwarden for a free password manager. I've used both 1Password and Bitwarden. Security considerations are similar. For basic password management I doubt you''ll notice many meaningful feature differences. 1Password's interface feels a little more polished and there are certainly feature differences around the edges but you didn't mention a need for anything specific. The fact that Bitwarden is open source is a big plus.
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One other thing about bitwarden is that it has an emergency access feature that will let a loved one access your account after a timeout period. This can be useful if you are worried about someone being locked out of your account in the event of incapacitation or death. 1password uses a kit that needs to be printed out and stored for similar purposes.grasshopping wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:23 am I'd go with Bitwarden for a free password manager. I've used both 1Password and Bitwarden. Security considerations are similar. For basic password management I doubt you''ll notice many meaningful feature differences. 1Password's interface feels a little more polished and there are certainly feature differences around the edges but you didn't mention a need for anything specific. The fact that Bitwarden is open source is a big plus.
https://bitwarden.com/help/emergency-access/
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Tx, makes sense. So I guess you have a private key on you PC for the decryption. And I guess if your PC is compromised all your passwords are. How is that key protected? It seems firefox has an option for a master password you have to enter everytime (or very often) you login into a website. But Chrome doesn't have this optionVulcan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:36 amThey are only decrypted locally on your PC. As with any other password manager, you have to trust them their software does what they say it does.international001 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:00 am Allow me a stupid question. If google cannot read your passwords, how does chrome do autofill of passwords when trying to log in Vanguard.com?
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Excuse (another) stupid question. How does the 2FA work? Vanguard calls me to my phone to give me a 6 digit code. How can BW intercept this?bling wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:59 am i was waiting for bitwarden to implement lastpass's emergency access feature. they finally did some time last year so when my subscription was up i switched to bitwarden.
emergency access lets another person you select request access to your account, and if you don't respond within X time, they are granted access. useful for the worst case scenarios.
anywho, password manager is a password manager is a password manager.
the feature in BW that i really really like is its integrated 2FA. yes, it's less secure, but i'm fine to forgo the security for convenience. with BW, after it auto-fills the username/password, it automatically copies the 6 digit code to the clipboard, so you just Ctrl+V on the next screen and you're in. no more getting your phone (which might be in another room), opening the app, finding the website, looking for the code, hope it has more than ~10 seconds remaining for you to copy, etc.
BW itself is still 2FA protected outside of BW.
it's all audited and open source, so if you wanted to run it yourself you can (and i have). but it's a great product and i want to support the developers, and the $40/yr family plan is very reasonable. also, if emergency access ever needed to be used, that means i'm not around to make sure my server is still up and running.
Can BW use a yubikey, preferably U2F ?
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+1 - that is what I use too.danaht wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:05 am I have been using Password Safe (an open source password store) for years - and really like it. https://pwsafe.org/ It's also open source. Open source is the best type of "free" since those are supported by the community. Password safe also has an Android app that is really great. Combine Password Safe with Dropbox or another cloud file provider (google drive, etc) where you can store the file containing the encrypted passwords - and then you have a complete and free cloud based password safe. Has really worked well for me.
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Yes, Chrome relies on the OS security.international001 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:19 pmTx, makes sense. So I guess you have a private key on you PC for the decryption. And I guess if your PC is compromised all your passwords are. How is that key protected? It seems firefox has an option for a master password you have to enter everytime (or very often) you login into a website. But Chrome doesn't have this optionVulcan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:36 amThey are only decrypted locally on your PC. As with any other password manager, you have to trust them their software does what they say it does.international001 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:00 am Allow me a stupid question. If google cannot read your passwords, how does chrome do autofill of passwords when trying to log in Vanguard.com?
If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything. ~Ronald Coase
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For personal use, I use a self-hosted instance of Bitwarden https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden, hosted on my NAS (with specific security and backup considerations in place).
While I don't doubt the security capabilities of any cloud password manager, I take pleasure in the fact that control of my passwords is exclusively mine.
While I don't doubt the security capabilities of any cloud password manager, I take pleasure in the fact that control of my passwords is exclusively mine.
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+1
I only use it from browsers, so the free version is ok for me.
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no, BW can't intercept that. the built-in 2FA is for TOTP only, e.g. (google authenticator, authy, microsoft authenticator), where it's just a 6 digit number that rotates every 30 seconds.international001 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:25 pmExcuse (another) stupid question. How does the 2FA work? Vanguard calls me to my phone to give me a 6 digit code. How can BW intercept this?bling wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:59 am i was waiting for bitwarden to implement lastpass's emergency access feature. they finally did some time last year so when my subscription was up i switched to bitwarden.
emergency access lets another person you select request access to your account, and if you don't respond within X time, they are granted access. useful for the worst case scenarios.
anywho, password manager is a password manager is a password manager.
the feature in BW that i really really like is its integrated 2FA. yes, it's less secure, but i'm fine to forgo the security for convenience. with BW, after it auto-fills the username/password, it automatically copies the 6 digit code to the clipboard, so you just Ctrl+V on the next screen and you're in. no more getting your phone (which might be in another room), opening the app, finding the website, looking for the code, hope it has more than ~10 seconds remaining for you to copy, etc.
BW itself is still 2FA protected outside of BW.
it's all audited and open source, so if you wanted to run it yourself you can (and i have). but it's a great product and i want to support the developers, and the $40/yr family plan is very reasonable. also, if emergency access ever needed to be used, that means i'm not around to make sure my server is still up and running.
Can BW use a yubikey, preferably U2F ?
BW does support YubiKey; https://bitwarden.com/help/setup-two-st ... n-yubikey/; which requires a premium account. but it's open source, so you can host your own server to get these features for free.
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I've used Password Safe for almost twenty years. Highly secure.
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I use MacPass for our Mac.
I used KeePass until I switched OS.
The main thing I liked about both is they are desktop applications (mobile as well). I don't want my backend (Password storage) cloud hosted.
I then have the file save to my cloud account so its easily recoverable.
I used KeePass until I switched OS.
The main thing I liked about both is they are desktop applications (mobile as well). I don't want my backend (Password storage) cloud hosted.
I then have the file save to my cloud account so its easily recoverable.
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I personally use, pay for, and like 1Password - to me, it's a small, reasonable expense for something I use regularly on my work laptop, home desktop and iOS devices (apps and Safari). I just checked and DW and I have nearly 500 logins between us - most shared, and all with pretty robust, unique passwords thanks to our use of a password manager.
Moving back more toward the issue of this thread, I've read good things about Bitwarden (here and elsewhere). Just curious, though - what is the business case for offering a free version? I assume the free tier is not ad-supported, somehow? Does the developer hope that a sliver of free users will choose to upgrade to a paid tier? It obviously costs money to maintain a software application like this, open source or not, and keep on top of technology changes and security threats.
Moving back more toward the issue of this thread, I've read good things about Bitwarden (here and elsewhere). Just curious, though - what is the business case for offering a free version? I assume the free tier is not ad-supported, somehow? Does the developer hope that a sliver of free users will choose to upgrade to a paid tier? It obviously costs money to maintain a software application like this, open source or not, and keep on top of technology changes and security threats.
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Keepass database managed with Strongbox app for macOS/iOS, saved in shared iCloud folder so partner can access the databases she might need. Also backed up regularly locally on a network attached server (NAS).
Also, the built in keychain for iOS/macOS.
KeepassXC was my choice of free program to use, but Strongbox offered enough polish and utility to make it worth paying a 1 time fee.
Also, the built in keychain for iOS/macOS.
KeepassXC was my choice of free program to use, but Strongbox offered enough polish and utility to make it worth paying a 1 time fee.
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Norton offers a password manager: https://us.norton.com/feature/password-manager
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For years I kept an encrypted doc in my computer with all my accounts and info like their passwords listed. Had thought of trying a password manager for a long time but didn't feel comfortable with it.
Finally about 2 years ago I got started with the free BitWarden and soon loved it.
Took a long while to switch over everything from my old "trusted passwords" to some new randomly-generated password, fearing what if something goes wrong blah blah blah.
But now that I've done it I love it. Even if the free version isn't perfect, it does the job for me. I'm not a high-risk web browser and am pretty cautious so I'm not losing any sleep over it.
But then I don't keep the launch codes in it either
Finally about 2 years ago I got started with the free BitWarden and soon loved it.
Took a long while to switch over everything from my old "trusted passwords" to some new randomly-generated password, fearing what if something goes wrong blah blah blah.
But now that I've done it I love it. Even if the free version isn't perfect, it does the job for me. I'm not a high-risk web browser and am pretty cautious so I'm not losing any sleep over it.
But then I don't keep the launch codes in it either
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