Potential job offer
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Potential job offer
So I’m kinda bored at my job and they haven’t been good with raises since I joined 6 years ago.
I’ve applied at a few places now that we’re going back from covid WFH. Smaller company ($8B market cap vs current $45B) is interested and basically asked me to put out a number.
Currently company is office M-W, Thurs/Fri WFH with every other Friday off (9/80 schedule). PTO, and 1 extra holiday per year. Current boss is accommodating but set to retire soon and doesn’t advocate for any of their employees.
New company is M-Th in office, half day fridays WFH. Less financially stable (just reorganize after some big losses)
I feel like I should toss out a number I can’t refuse but I don’t know what that is..
I have maybe 6-8 years of work left. Based on planned retirement gross income:
14x saved/invested
Income: 1.3x
Save 0.5-0.6x/yr
Thoughts?
I’ve applied at a few places now that we’re going back from covid WFH. Smaller company ($8B market cap vs current $45B) is interested and basically asked me to put out a number.
Currently company is office M-W, Thurs/Fri WFH with every other Friday off (9/80 schedule). PTO, and 1 extra holiday per year. Current boss is accommodating but set to retire soon and doesn’t advocate for any of their employees.
New company is M-Th in office, half day fridays WFH. Less financially stable (just reorganize after some big losses)
I feel like I should toss out a number I can’t refuse but I don’t know what that is..
I have maybe 6-8 years of work left. Based on planned retirement gross income:
14x saved/invested
Income: 1.3x
Save 0.5-0.6x/yr
Thoughts?
Re: Potential job offer
25x - 8*0.6x - 14x ~= 6xBanquetBeer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:39 pm
I have maybe 6-8 years of work left. Based on planned retirement gross income:
14x saved/invested
Income: 1.3x
Save 0.5-0.6x/yr
Thoughts?
In a happy path scenario you need 6 more years of expense saved. I'd concentrate on financial part rather then on company size / WFH policy
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Re: Potential job offer
We probably need more information. Are the roles at the same level? Do you know the approximate salary range of the new position? Is current comp mostly salary or bonus? Are you at the upper end of your current salary range?
In general, I think 15-20% is a good expectation for a new job offer. Maybe ask for 30-50% since you want something you can't refuse?
In general, I think 15-20% is a good expectation for a new job offer. Maybe ask for 30-50% since you want something you can't refuse?
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Re: Potential job offer
I expect stock growth and plan to have low spending for the next 10 years to meet $$. Goal of 3.5% SWR and pretty flexible (current spend is 0.45x + tax + insurance)
Currently about 17% bonus (not structured amount), new position would either be 15% or 20% starting point (I’m sure adjustment factors up and down)
I’m not concerned about salary range; I don’t have to take it and I think they could change the position to fit if things move forward
Jobs are about the same in responsibilities and travel.
Edit: I feel like there is some uncertainty but also work life balance (3 days in office vs 4 is huge) and the half Fridays mean no 3 day weekend trips without vacation - that I would have less of (4 weeks vacation + 2 weeks sick vs current 5 weeks PTO) I think the main push is haven’t felt appreciated in current role and dealing with same problems (like incomplete handover, bad 3rd party agreements) from years ago that the company hasn’t put effort into changing.
Currently about 17% bonus (not structured amount), new position would either be 15% or 20% starting point (I’m sure adjustment factors up and down)
I’m not concerned about salary range; I don’t have to take it and I think they could change the position to fit if things move forward
Jobs are about the same in responsibilities and travel.
Edit: I feel like there is some uncertainty but also work life balance (3 days in office vs 4 is huge) and the half Fridays mean no 3 day weekend trips without vacation - that I would have less of (4 weeks vacation + 2 weeks sick vs current 5 weeks PTO) I think the main push is haven’t felt appreciated in current role and dealing with same problems (like incomplete handover, bad 3rd party agreements) from years ago that the company hasn’t put effort into changing.
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Re: Potential job offer
For me at least, 30% is roughly the number that would make it a no brainer for me, assuming I am not looking to leave a current position. Has happened to me twice during my career across 6 jobs.
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About three years ago we lost a talented engineer, who I would consider a friend, another firm. One day at lunch he told me another firm (not a direct competitor) reached out to take his temperature. The firm left the compensation number open ended and asked “Joe” what it would take to get him to join their firm. He was considering throwing a number 30% above his current pay. Asking my opinion, I jokingly told him to “ask for a number that seems so ridiculous you laugh when you write it down, oh and a Tesla”.
“Joe” is no longer with our firm, and I’ve taken his Tesla for a spin. We’ve never discussed the number, but he said they never batted an eye. What I’m trying to say is: if you’re close to retirement and looking for a cash run, ask for something ridiculous. If they don’t bite, it’s a few more years where you are and you’re out.
“Joe” is no longer with our firm, and I’ve taken his Tesla for a spin. We’ve never discussed the number, but he said they never batted an eye. What I’m trying to say is: if you’re close to retirement and looking for a cash run, ask for something ridiculous. If they don’t bite, it’s a few more years where you are and you’re out.
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Re: Potential job offer
I would want market rate. Your current salary isn't relevant in this kind of situation.
That may be 10% more or 200% more.
That may be 10% more or 200% more.
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Re: Potential job offer
Engineering doesn’t really have a market rate. People in similar jobs/experience are earning between 0.8x-1.8x my number. It really depends on the capabilities (technical and personable) of the individual.
So 1.3x -> 1.55-1.7x (20-30% bump) puts me at the top of this range.
So 1.3x -> 1.55-1.7x (20-30% bump) puts me at the top of this range.
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Hmmm.BanquetBeer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:39 pmLess financially stable (just reorganize after some big losses)
Only you can know what number you can't refuse.I feel like I should toss out a number I can’t refuse but I don’t know what that is..
Think to yourself "If they offered me X I would accept immediately."
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Re: Potential job offer
Great advice. This is what I would do if I were in your shoes.Dilbydog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:44 pm About three years ago we lost a talented engineer, who I would consider a friend, another firm. One day at lunch he told me another firm (not a direct competitor) reached out to take his temperature. The firm left the compensation number open ended and asked “Joe” what it would take to get him to join their firm. He was considering throwing a number 30% above his current pay. Asking my opinion, I jokingly told him to “ask for a number that seems so ridiculous you laugh when you write it down, oh and a Tesla”.
“Joe” is no longer with our firm, and I’ve taken his Tesla for a spin. We’ve never discussed the number, but he said they never batted an eye. What I’m trying to say is: if you’re close to retirement and looking for a cash run, ask for something ridiculous. If they don’t bite, it’s a few more years where you are and you’re out.