Boy, that does not say much for the teaching profession, or at least your perception of it. Does not bode well for our future generations if these are the people that will be teaching our kids to fill those other professions you put more value to.stoptothink wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:08 pmIn my previous position I lost a handful of employees who went into public school teaching. I can tell you that teaching requires less education/credentialing and pays better, with fewer workdays, than working in a lab as a chemist or biologist (I oversaw our labs as one component of my previous position). I don't really get the poo-pooing of teaching as a job, for an "average" college grad. My sister started at $43k/yr, finished an online masters in 9 months and got an immediate bump to $47k/yr, and has awesome benefits. Not bad for a 26yr old who was a very mediocre student, never did anything else but entry-level work, and (to be honest) isn't really cut out for a lot of other careers. My step-dad now makes ~$80k in the same district, and he actually quit (almost 20yrs ago) his marketing job to teach because it paid as well (he is not one with the drive to move up the ladder), but with better benefits and much better stability.forgeblast wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:31 amThe amount of education required for keeping the degree/teaching license puts teachers at a huge disadvantage when it comes it comparable education and salary's. The amount of behavioral issues coming to schools and the fact that we do more and more and more for the community that looks at us a glorified baby sitters is frustrating on so many levels.stoptothink wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:56 pmWhy? Teaching certainly is not one of the higher-paying professions for college grads, but it tends to pay median income salaries and has many other benefits. For some it truly is "a calling", it definitely is for my step-father and maybe my sister as well (she's still early in her career). I guess this is common with people of all professionals, as we are seeing multiple MDs saying they tell their children not to get into medicine. As an exercise physiologist and health scientist, I guess I should council my children to study something else because the data suggests there is little opportunity, even though it has worked out quite well for me.forgeblast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:30 pm I started telling my daughter as soon as we started saving for her 529 that we would have money for her to go to college. As my wife and I are both teachers, we also made sure to tell her she was not going into education. She asked what happens if I do I said you cousin gets your 529 and you have to take out loans. We will not pay for that degree.
Pa no long as a guaranteed defined pension for new hires. Medical is not paid for by the district, and we have high deductibles. The one saving grace was the retirement and they took that away for new hires. We have had teachers quit mid year, because they are fed up and can make more outside of education.
We are seeing that very few college grads are going into education so there are no subs. This translates to no break because you need to cover other classes on a daily basis.
The buildings are outdated with very little ventilation, it was 87 in my room in August and the humidity was so bad no posters would stay on the walls. I could go on an on, I am teaching 22 years and every year more gets dumped on us from a local and state level.
IMO, if you are an average student and not super driven, you can definitely do worse. Of course, none of us want to think our kids are just average.
Our experience was different, we found our kid's teachers to be well educated, and definitely very driven to support our kid's education. But, our kids were in a public school systems that pays teachers quite well, maybe that explains some of the difference.