Strategy for passing your Digital Assets upon your death?
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Strategy for passing your Digital Assets upon your death?
Hello,
With the current pandemic and our family personally losing two young men to unfortunate accidents, our family is wondering how do we pass control of our digital assets to each other in case of sudden death or incapacity.
The parents of the young men that died in the accident do not have a way to unlock their iphone and apple policy prohibits anyone from unlocking phones or disabling passcodes.
We have Lastpass accounts and have authorized each other for Emergency Access. But I do not see this as a full proof situation.
Any thoughts or suggestions on HOW and WHAT to protect in terms of digital assets?
With the current pandemic and our family personally losing two young men to unfortunate accidents, our family is wondering how do we pass control of our digital assets to each other in case of sudden death or incapacity.
The parents of the young men that died in the accident do not have a way to unlock their iphone and apple policy prohibits anyone from unlocking phones or disabling passcodes.
We have Lastpass accounts and have authorized each other for Emergency Access. But I do not see this as a full proof situation.
Any thoughts or suggestions on HOW and WHAT to protect in terms of digital assets?
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What is a digital asset?
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I solve this by having no digital assets.
There is a paper along with my will that spells out all my financial accounts/holdings.
I do realize I am a troglodyte even as a millennial.
There is a paper along with my will that spells out all my financial accounts/holdings.
I do realize I am a troglodyte even as a millennial.
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Paper copies of important info kept in safe places by people/places you trust. It's a strategy that has worked a lot longer than digital has existed.
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My estate attorney has the password to my hidden thumb drive with all digital accounts and access codes.
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For financial accounts they are all set up as joint tenancy or with beneficiaries. We get paper statements for the primary purpose of any survivor to be able to identify accounts and their status. Spouse isn't very interested in it but I prepare a semi-annual spreadsheet listing all accounts, balances, strategy etc.
We have a shared family email account used for household business and common contacts. We have emails as well as social media accounts which we consider to be private to each of us forever.
In terms of personal death notifications beyond work and immediate family it would be driven by our Christmas card list. If we don't send a electronic or paper Christmas card we likely don't have much of an on-going relationship.
We have a shared family email account used for household business and common contacts. We have emails as well as social media accounts which we consider to be private to each of us forever.
In terms of personal death notifications beyond work and immediate family it would be driven by our Christmas card list. If we don't send a electronic or paper Christmas card we likely don't have much of an on-going relationship.
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+1. It would really help if you told us what you meant by "digital assets." You mention only the iphone, which a person could just let potential heirs know their passcode and Apple login credentials. In my case, I really don't know of anything on my iphone that would be of any use to anybody.
I am not a lawyer, accountant or financial advisor. Any advice or suggestions that I may provide shall be considered for entertainment purposes only.
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So what happens in 30 years when you die and the lawyer preceded you in death and his business was sold?
In other words, neither you nor the lawyer will be able to tell the beneficiaries anything.
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I once asked kiva.com how I could give my account assets to someone after I died. They said to just give them my login info and the beneficiary could then change my email address to theirs.
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I keep a paper copy of our passwords in a Bank Safe Deposit box.
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Digital Assets is content that resides in your digital devices like
Cellphone
Tablets
Computers
Cloud accounts like email, social media, memberships etc.
Digital Heir / Digital Legacy is how you pass access and ownership of the digital assets
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I must be dense, but:luckybamboo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:13 pmDigital Assets is content that resides in your digital devices like
Cellphone
Tablets
Computers
Cloud accounts like email, social media, memberships etc.
Digital Heir / Digital Legacy is how you pass access and ownership of the digital assets
A) why does anyone need to access those things once someone is deceased?
B) just keep a list of accounts and passwords?
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I have several suggestions, you may choose to adopt any or none of them depending on your situation.
1. Use a password manager and share your credentials with people you trust or your beneficiaries.
2. Use a password manager without sharing your credentials and use the emergency access feature to allow a trusted person to gain access to your password vault after you are gone. (Some passwords managers have this feature and some don't)
3. Use a cloud based storage provider, like Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive, and share the contents of your drive or selected folders within the drive with a trusted person.
4. Print out your usernames and passwords and other relevant information and give them to a trusted person.
5. Use the Google Inactive Account manager feature on Google accounts to share your data with a trusted person after you are gone (after the account is inactive for 3 months). Other cloud data providers may have a similar feature.
6. Prepare a summary document for your loved ones or heirs that gives them all the relevant information they may need and email it to them.
7. You can save the summary document in a password manager and allow your trusted person to have access to it with the emergency access feature. You can keep your important documents in a safe at home and do the same with the safe combination to be accessed using the emergency access feature after you are gone. (You can save almost anything in most password managers, not just passwords)
Also keep in mind that if you have two step verification set up on any of your accounts your loved one may not be able to access your account even with the username and password if they do not have access to the second factor for verification. I'm not saying you should not have two step verification, I think you should, I'm saying you need to make it available in the event you are not around.
1. Use a password manager and share your credentials with people you trust or your beneficiaries.
2. Use a password manager without sharing your credentials and use the emergency access feature to allow a trusted person to gain access to your password vault after you are gone. (Some passwords managers have this feature and some don't)
3. Use a cloud based storage provider, like Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive, and share the contents of your drive or selected folders within the drive with a trusted person.
4. Print out your usernames and passwords and other relevant information and give them to a trusted person.
5. Use the Google Inactive Account manager feature on Google accounts to share your data with a trusted person after you are gone (after the account is inactive for 3 months). Other cloud data providers may have a similar feature.
6. Prepare a summary document for your loved ones or heirs that gives them all the relevant information they may need and email it to them.
7. You can save the summary document in a password manager and allow your trusted person to have access to it with the emergency access feature. You can keep your important documents in a safe at home and do the same with the safe combination to be accessed using the emergency access feature after you are gone. (You can save almost anything in most password managers, not just passwords)
Also keep in mind that if you have two step verification set up on any of your accounts your loved one may not be able to access your account even with the username and password if they do not have access to the second factor for verification. I'm not saying you should not have two step verification, I think you should, I'm saying you need to make it available in the event you are not around.
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Can't apple conduct a complete wipe/iOS reinstall to reset iPhones, tablets and macs?luckybamboo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:13 pmDigital Assets is content that resides in your digital devices like
Cellphone
Tablets
Computers
Cloud accounts like email, social media, memberships etc.
Digital Heir / Digital Legacy is how you pass access and ownership of the digital assets
Why do I care about my e-mail and social media accounts when I'm dead? (My step-dad passed away last October and even tho I am Executor I just ignored his electronic accounts unless they may have contained cash/credits. I figure eventually gmail will figure out he is no longer active and just put his account into suspended animation and/or close it.)
Memberships in what? And since most are subscription nowadays, it's only a few months of loss of use.
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I thought this was going to be a Bitcoin thread.
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Why - My phone is used for getting OTP for many websites. My phonebook has contacts of all the important people. I don't have a paper phonebook anymore. A lot of family photos are on my phone.oldfatguy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:18 pmI must be dense, but:luckybamboo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:13 pmDigital Assets is content that resides in your digital devices like
Cellphone
Tablets
Computers
Cloud accounts like email, social media, memberships etc.
Digital Heir / Digital Legacy is how you pass access and ownership of the digital assets
A) why does anyone need to access those things once someone is deceased?
B) just keep a list of accounts and passwords?
Many of my online accounts like email, google drive, onedrive have all the important files.
These are immediate ones. Maybe there's more that I can't think of
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Great ideas. As regards to 2FA - most of my 2FA is either my phone or email. Phone - my family can remove SIM card from my phone and put it on a new phone and SMS can come to that. Email - they can have access from Lastpass.mptfan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:25 pm I have several suggestions, you may choose to adopt any or none of them depending on your situation.
1. Use a password manager and share your credentials with people you trust or your beneficiaries.
2. Use a password manager without sharing your credentials and use the emergency access feature to allow a trusted person to gain access to your password vault after you are gone. (Some passwords managers have this feature and some don't)
3. Use a cloud based storage provider, like Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive, and share the contents of your drive with a trusted person.
4. Print out your usernames and passwords and other relevant information and give them to a trusted person.
5. Use the Google Inactive Account manager feature on Google accounts to share your data with a trusted person after you are gone (after the account is inactive for 3 months). Other cloud data providers may have a similar feature.
6. Prepare a summary document for your loved ones or heirs that gives them all the relevant information they may need and email it to them.
7. You can save the summary document in a password manager and allow your trusted person to have access to it with the emergency access feature. You can keep your important documents in a safe at home and do the same with the safe combination. (You can save almost anything in most password managers, not just passwords)
Also keep in mind that if you have two step verification set up on any of your accounts your loved one may not be able to access your account even with the username and password if they do not have access to the second factor for verification. I'm not saying you should not have two step verification, I think you should, I'm saying you need to make it available in the event you are not around.
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I don't understand why tablets/computers is included here. If any heir has physical possession of either of these, along with the password to log in, what else would be needed. Taken one step further, if they have possession of a flash drive used to back up the files on such devices, they don't need anything else (unless the flash drive is encrypted, which would again require the password). I understand that some folks want everything stored in the cloud, but a lot of Bogleheads don't (for various reasons). Family photos? Sure. Financial records? No way.luckybamboo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:13 pmDigital Assets is content that resides in your digital devices like
Cellphone
Tablets
Computers
Cloud accounts like email, social media, memberships etc.
Digital Heir / Digital Legacy is how you pass access and ownership of the digital assets
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Your approach with your step-dad is fine if someone passes away and doesn't have any dependents that depend on their email / phone for 2FA or getting an OTP. For my family with young children, it's important to have a system in place to ensure seamless transition for the survivorsBig Dog wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:33 pmCan't apple conduct a complete wipe/iOS reinstall to reset iPhones, tablets and macs?luckybamboo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:13 pmDigital Assets is content that resides in your digital devices like
Cellphone
Tablets
Computers
Cloud accounts like email, social media, memberships etc.
Digital Heir / Digital Legacy is how you pass access and ownership of the digital assets
Why do I care about my e-mail and social media accounts when I'm dead? (My step-dad passed away last October and even tho I am Executor I just ignored his electronic accounts unless they may have contained cash/credits. I figure eventually Gmail will figure out he is no longer active and just put his account into suspended animation and/or close it.)
Memberships in what? And since most are subscription nowadays, it's only a few months of loss of use.
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I am wondering about digital assets such as purchesed music and movies in iTunes iCloud and Kindle books. It sounds like the limited licensing doesn’t allow for transfers to another account owner.
https://slate.com/technology/2014/08/di ... u-die.html
https://slate.com/technology/2014/08/di ... u-die.html
"People sometimes fail to live because they are always preparing to live." - Alan Watts
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This is a real issue. Digital albums may be the most understandable for people. Increasingly, important things with sentimental value are stored only electronically. Family albums, letters, writings (manuscripts for fledgling writers), medical records, family genealogy. These things used to be paper. They are almost certainly transitioning. And a family tree with research notes can be far more valuable in digital form. So yes, I urge ppl to have instructions in wills to handle this. And a list of passwords goes stale. So really you need a “backup email reset” or some other system that works for you.
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I know one common thread that people responded with is, "why would somebody need to access info on your phone, email, etc". In the analog world, letters between family members, family photos in certain situations can become treasured heirlooms as they help retain the history of one's family. I know that I have a family photo album/scrapbook from my father's side of the family that is a treasure trove of tribal knowledge. One wonders how this will translate over into the digital world.
On my phone, I have years of photos and videos that I have taken that may be of interest to my descendants. It would be sad if all of that were lost because my heirs could not unlock my phone or I didn't have some plan to archive them. Same with social media. Social media is the digital equivalent of one's journal or one's letters to family and friends. Now I am sure there are items that we might not want our heirs to see, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't have been posted to social media in the first place!
Consider the person who, when faced with a house ablaze, decides to save the family photo album or a shoebox full of birthday cards. When asked why they chose to save these seemingly valueless items, the person usually responds that everything else can be replaced, but those precious memories are priceless.
My point is that there absolutely is a use case for passing along one's digital assets. So before you poo poo the concept, think about how important those family photo albums, letters, postcards, journals, etc are to your family and what lengths you would go to in order to safeguard them. So why is the concept of saving, passing along these digital equivalents or foreign to people? Just because it happens to be a picture that appears on a monitor rather than on paper doesn't make it any less precious.
Anyway, I know I didn't answer the question, but I wanted to provide a counterpoint to all of the people challenging the question's premise. Hopefully my post will give you another perspective on the value of this.
On my phone, I have years of photos and videos that I have taken that may be of interest to my descendants. It would be sad if all of that were lost because my heirs could not unlock my phone or I didn't have some plan to archive them. Same with social media. Social media is the digital equivalent of one's journal or one's letters to family and friends. Now I am sure there are items that we might not want our heirs to see, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't have been posted to social media in the first place!
Consider the person who, when faced with a house ablaze, decides to save the family photo album or a shoebox full of birthday cards. When asked why they chose to save these seemingly valueless items, the person usually responds that everything else can be replaced, but those precious memories are priceless.
My point is that there absolutely is a use case for passing along one's digital assets. So before you poo poo the concept, think about how important those family photo albums, letters, postcards, journals, etc are to your family and what lengths you would go to in order to safeguard them. So why is the concept of saving, passing along these digital equivalents or foreign to people? Just because it happens to be a picture that appears on a monitor rather than on paper doesn't make it any less precious.
Anyway, I know I didn't answer the question, but I wanted to provide a counterpoint to all of the people challenging the question's premise. Hopefully my post will give you another perspective on the value of this.
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Thank you Thank you so much. You accurately described what i am thinking.humblecoder wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:50 pm I know one common thread that people responded with is, "why would somebody need to access info on your phone, email, etc". In the analog world, letters between family members, family photos in certain situations can become treasured heirlooms as they help retain the history of one's family. I know that I have a family photo album/scrapbook from my father's side of the family that is a treasure trove of tribal knowledge. One wonders how this will translate over into the digital world.
On my phone, I have years of photos and videos that I have taken that may be of interest to my descendants. It would be sad if all of that were lost because my heirs could not unlock my phone or I didn't have some plan to archive them. Same with social media. Social media is the digital equivalent of one's journal or one's letters to family and friends. Now I am sure there are items that we might not want our heirs to see, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't have been posted to social media in the first place!
Consider the person who, when faced with a house ablaze, decides to save the family photo album or a shoebox full of birthday cards. When asked why they chose to save these seemingly valueless items, the person usually responds that everything else can be replaced, but those precious memories are priceless.
My point is that there absolutely is a use case for passing along one's digital assets. So before you poo poo the concept, think about how important those family photo albums, letters, postcards, journals, etc are to your family and what lengths you would go to in order to safeguard them. So why is the concept of saving, passing along these digital equivalents or foreign to people? Just because it happens to be a picture that appears on a monitor rather than on paper doesn't make it any less precious.
Anyway, I know I didn't answer the question, but I wanted to provide a counterpoint to all of the people challenging the question's premise. Hopefully my post will give you another perspective on the value of this.
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nice point.Invest4lt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:25 pm I am wondering about digital assets such as purchesed music and movies in iTunes iCloud and Kindle books. It sounds like the limited licensing doesn’t allow for transfers to another account owner.
https://slate.com/technology/2014/08/di ... u-die.html
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I can see how that might be important to some people, but it isn't something I would give a second thought.humblecoder wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:50 pm
On my phone, I have years of photos and videos that I have taken that may be of interest to my descendants. It would be sad if all of that were lost because my heirs could not unlock my phone or I didn't have some plan to archive them. Same with social media. Social media is the digital equivalent of one's journal or one's letters to family and friends. Now I am sure there are items that we might not want our heirs to see, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't have been posted to social media in the first place!
Consider the person who, when faced with a house ablaze, decides to save the family photo album or a shoebox full of birthday cards. When asked why they chose to save these seemingly valueless items, the person usually responds that everything else can be replaced, but those precious memories are priceless.
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I executed an estate. I had my loved one’s email password, as well as the phone which was locked (and I didn’t have the passcode) but was set to display the content of text messages on the lock screen.
Email + viewing the two-factor authentication codes was enough to get into accounts to save memories, as well as to view account numbers for things like credit cards that made it easier to close them.
After that experience, I made sure that the family member who has a copy of my will also has my phone passcode and email password written down and stored with it. I give them updated post-it notes to replace the info as needed. Since I use 2FA, I would know if they tried to access my email account, in case that matters to you. I trust this person not to do that.
A few notes. First, I kept my deceased loved one’s phone number active until the estate was closed, which did cost more than cancelling it immediately. Second, I missed one online storage account with 2FA that I couldn’t get into because I didn’t think of it until after I cancelled the phone number (and got an email that the storage account would be shut down). Third, I had access to my loved one’s photos through Google Photos, through which a phone app uploaded all the photos taken on the phone to the cloud, where I could access them with the Google password. That would be a way to give your heirs access to your photos and videos but not your text messages, if that is your preference.
Email + viewing the two-factor authentication codes was enough to get into accounts to save memories, as well as to view account numbers for things like credit cards that made it easier to close them.
After that experience, I made sure that the family member who has a copy of my will also has my phone passcode and email password written down and stored with it. I give them updated post-it notes to replace the info as needed. Since I use 2FA, I would know if they tried to access my email account, in case that matters to you. I trust this person not to do that.
A few notes. First, I kept my deceased loved one’s phone number active until the estate was closed, which did cost more than cancelling it immediately. Second, I missed one online storage account with 2FA that I couldn’t get into because I didn’t think of it until after I cancelled the phone number (and got an email that the storage account would be shut down). Third, I had access to my loved one’s photos through Google Photos, through which a phone app uploaded all the photos taken on the phone to the cloud, where I could access them with the Google password. That would be a way to give your heirs access to your photos and videos but not your text messages, if that is your preference.
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Your photos should be backed up somewhere. Ditto your 'phonebook'. What happens when you lose your phone or someone steals it? (forget about passing) Ditto your important files. Needless to say, your spouse or personal representative needs access to the backup spot, a hard drive or the cloud.luckybamboo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:56 pmWhy - My phone is used for getting OTP for many websites. My phonebook has contacts of all the important people. I don't have a paper phonebook anymore. A lot of family photos are on my phone.oldfatguy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:18 pmI must be dense, but:luckybamboo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:13 pmDigital Assets is content that resides in your digital devices like
Cellphone
Tablets
Computers
Cloud accounts like email, social media, memberships etc.
Digital Heir / Digital Legacy is how you pass access and ownership of the digital assets
A) why does anyone need to access those things once someone is deceased?
B) just keep a list of accounts and passwords?
Many of my online accounts like email, google drive, onedrive have all the important files.
These are immediate ones. Maybe there's more that I can't think of
Note, each vendor has different policies regarding access to Next of Kin upon death. If you want to insure the stuff gets passed, read the fine print or back it up to a physical disk. (which is what I do, to answer teh OP's question)
https://www.everplans.com/articles/what ... when-i-die
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Keep all your photos and other sentimentally valuable but monetarily worthless files backed up to a drive that is not password protected; or share your computer password with your spouse like I do.
A cellphone is a disposable, transient device and should be treated as such. They should never be used as a primary storage device.
A cellphone is a disposable, transient device and should be treated as such. They should never be used as a primary storage device.
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I found an emergency binder online that has a lot of this pre-organized. https://smartmoneymamas.com/ice-binder/ ... almoneyman
I check and make sure it’s up to date quarterly. Don’t bother keeping up to date with passwords in the binder instead use a password manager and then you only have to worry about updating one password periodically in the binder. I keep a digital copy of the emergency binder on my cloud storage drive and a hard copy with my original hard copy estate planning documentation.
I check and make sure it’s up to date quarterly. Don’t bother keeping up to date with passwords in the binder instead use a password manager and then you only have to worry about updating one password periodically in the binder. I keep a digital copy of the emergency binder on my cloud storage drive and a hard copy with my original hard copy estate planning documentation.
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My wife and I share a family LastPass Account.