I don't entirely disagree. It's likely dealing prices eventually go back to something more like the (wide, very make/model and time dependent) range of previously than now's situation v MSRP. Although, this could be accompanied by 'transient' inflation increasing MSRP's in next few years to offset a good deal of the apparent normalization. Then looking a little further there's broader electrification. Some people revel in this prospect, and I'd prefer other people be happy on things that don't directly matter to me one way or another, which this development would not if it had no or a guaranteed positive effect on car prices. But it might not be positive from consumer standpoint. It depends exactly how the web of EV subsidies, mandates, actual underlying production cost of these cars and consumer enthusiasm for them all interact as they are scaled up. There might also end up being excess demand for a declining % of ICE cars which 'the market' won't correct for via increased production, due to mandates. And I guess I will continue to prefer ICE. I'm not giving this as a reason to pay MSRP today if you believe you'll get 8% off in a few months, the uncertainty I'm speaking of will play out over years. Just saying, as time goes by there are multiple uncertainties about both actual vehicle prices and relationship to 'MSRP'.Hogan773 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:20 pmIt is sad when people say they got a "deal" by being ALLOWED TO PAY THE FULL STATED LIST PRICE FOR THE CAR! Right there that shows how goofy things are right now. Again putting aside special cars like Ferraris or limited run vehicles, nobody in their right mind in the past would have said PHEW, I WAS ABLE TO PAY FULL LISTED PRICE FOR THE CAR - WHAT A DEAL I GOT! I mean for me it was always whether I could actually get BELOW INVOICE, let alone MSRP.DiploInvestor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:13 am Recently bought a new, loaded Toyota Highlander XSE at MSRP. Had a connection to a dealer through a family member, or else that wouldn’t have happened. A buddy just got a new Telluride at MSRP as well. Great deal, though I passed on those because of the markup and the glass issues. Deals (meaning at-MSRP sales) are out there, but they take patience. I have little patience and didn’t have much time to wait (long story), so I feel I got lucky. I just wish I had held onto my 2012 Nissan Quest minivan in perfect shape with 28,000 miles and not sold it in summer 2020, but that’s water under the bridge…
It can't continue this way forever. It just can't.
On cars going for MSRP in past I agree that's been unusual, figures might be found to prove it. Although it's a more widespread thing than Ferrari level (where it can be below or above MSRP all depending). I have a 2018 M2 (I'm seeking now to trade, trade in prices very nice compared to last year, new BMW prices not so nice). That's far from a super car (though a fairly serious car at low speed acceleration and cornering) but it was difficult to get the 'original' M2 below MSRP from introduction till in 2018 it became known 2019's would have 45 more hp, I got ~5% off MSRP, nothing to trumpet from the mountaintop normally but paying only MSRP was relatively good for that car for quite awhile. They don't make a large number though I'm not sure 'limited edition'. Anyway I agree there's a reason that paying MSRP has long been considered 'paying up' in the broad car market, before recently.