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Re: Windows 11

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Ditto the Win 11 might not work on older pcs. You can download a checker to see,but my old pc did not meet the requirements. I have like one program that I have to use to update a playstation peripheral once a year or so, but otherwise use Ubuntu for my desktop computing needs.
Looks like microsoft has taken down their pc health check app. Someone has come out with an open source replacement (note I could not get it to work on my pc). It is called whynotwin11 I won't post a link as it is to an executable program.
In the meantime, here are the specs for win 11
WINDOWS 11 REQUIREMENTS
Spec Requirement
Processor 1GHz or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or system on a chip
RAM 4GB
Storage 64GB or larger storage device
System firmware UEFI, Secure Boot capable
TPM Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0
Graphics card Compatible with DirectX 12 or later with WDDM 2.0 driver
Display HD (720p) display greater than 9 inches diagonally, 8 bits per color channel
Internet connection and Microsoft account For Windows 11 Home edition: internet connectivity; Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use For all Windows 11 editions: internet access to perform updates and to download and use some features; Microsoft account for some features
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mhalley wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:00 pm Processor 1GHz or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or system on a chip
Microsoft has caused massive confusion with the processor requirements in particular. The portion quoted above is met by virtually any processor from the last 10 years. But Microsoft has since said that only 8th-gen or newer processors will be supported. Those only came onto the market in 2017. In fact, Microsoft itself is still now selling a (very expensive) Surface Studio PC that uses an older, 7th-gen processor. So after a backlash they're saying they'll consider adding 7th-gen processors as well. What a mess.
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TPM may kick out a lot of hardware; however, it is still early and they may well change the spec. My need for Windows is probably fading. I can probably convert this box to Linux and get more life out of it although by then the hard drive will be a bit long in the tooth.
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Re: Windows 11

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jebmke wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:06 pm TPM may kick out a lot of hardware; however, it is still early and they may well change the spec. My need for Windows is probably fading. I can probably convert this box to Linux and get more life out of it although by then the hard drive will be a bit long in the tooth.
TPM has been around a lot longer than 8th-gen processors (2014 vs 2017), so it's the less onerous of the two. And it's more clearly security-related, whether one buys Microsoft's arguments or not.

FWIW I'm running Windows 11 on a Skylake (6th-gen) PC, with TPM 2.0, and it's fine. We'll see if this generation is allowed to run Windows 11 at general release.
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I'm finally getting ready to upgrade from Windows 7 to 10; not a literal upgrade as I'll be building a new PC with a fresh OS installation. I expect I'll be ready for 11 by this time next decade.
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I installed the insider preview via the developer channel on Windows 10. I wouldn't recommend anyone do that who isn't willing to take some risk, but it's really, really nice. Like the relationship between 7 and Vista, it's what Windows 10 should have been from day one. Much softer interface, better menus, more logical start menu, and updated icons with the stability that Windows 10 provided. If you don't like the centered start menu it's a single click to move it back to the left side. But honestly, nobody should be "clicking" start any more anyway, when you can just hit the windows key and type a couple letters to find anything you want (since Windows 7).

I'm looking forward to the final release.
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Re: Windows 11

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Here's somebody running Windows 11 on a Thinkpad T60, which came out in 2006 (CPU upgraded to T7200 from 2008):
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme ... nkpad_t60/
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Re: Windows 11

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SS396 wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:50 pm If the PC you are using now originally ran Windows 7 then my guess is it must be more than 5 years old. The 5+ year old PC may not be compatible with Windows 11. The BIOS on the motherboard probably does not have the secure boot feature or trusted platform module that's required by Windows 11. Use Windows 10 for another 4 years and then decide if it is time to purchase a new PC if Microsoft will not continue support. Good luck.
Aw, cripes, I am NOT buying a new PC just to run Windows 11, no way. I just spent $$ upgrading my RAM and HD. Enough is enough. I'll go to Linux before I buy a new PC just to run Windows 11.
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Re: Windows 11

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jebmke wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:06 pm TPM may kick out a lot of hardware; however, it is still early and they may well change the spec. My need for Windows is probably fading. I can probably convert this box to Linux and get more life out of it although by then the hard drive will be a bit long in the tooth.
Speaking of Linux and Windows 11, I read somewhere that an account will be needed to use Windows 11. I believe that was referring to a Windows/Microsoft account that would access the internet.

If someone didn't want to create a Windows/Microsoft account, could they still:

1. Create Linux (or other) VMs on the machine?
2. Install Linux on the machine?
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Re: Windows 11

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I had Windows 11 for about a week now as I have my updates in Developer mode.

I personally don't like the UI relative to Windows 10.
It just seems like a UI change. Nothing more.

The UI is more tablet friendly. Tablet users might enjoy the change. Everything seems more 'simplified' overall.
It seems the UI is biased towards those with laptops such as the Microsoft Surface Laptops (I wonder why :greedy ).
Desktop/laptop users will be annoyed but will probably grow accustomed to the UI change in a couple days.

I want my Windows 10 UI back. I don't want an OS that feels like it is meant for tablets and not laptops.
But I guess I can't have it all.
Thanks Microsoft with the automatic updates. /s
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I'll review upgrading once it is launched and solid information is available about the details. I've been considering a motherboard and CPU upgrade anyway so it should be a good time. I run specialist applications that Microsoft couldn't care less about in their testing cycle, so I'll see what others are saying.
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Re: Windows 11

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02nz wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:41 am
oldcomputerguy wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:48 am I think you left one out:
bryanm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am Windows 3.1 - Great!
Windows 95 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 98 - Great!
Windows ME - Innovative but buggy
Windows 2000 -- Innovative and Great! (Got rid of NetBEUI in favor of TCP/IP)
Windows XP - Great!
Windows Vista - Innovative but buggy
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 10 - Great!
Windows 11 - ???
Windows 2000 was indeed great, but it was basically Windows NT 5 and thus not part of the consumer line, which merged with the NT line in XP.
Irrelevant distinction, mostly, since Windows 2000 was still a client OS (as opposed to a server OS, which it also was, but I digress).

How about Windows 8.1? That was essentially a different release by itself and was definitely a solid release compared to 8.

I'll keep an open mind on Windows 11. One thing you can say about Microsoft is the Windows platform is way more tolerant of an older processor chipset than macOS is/ever was. You can still run Windows 10 on a 12 year old piece of gear. My Dell Latitude from 2009 is still ticking (with a new SSD and wifi card I installed, of course) with Windows 10. I'm thinking Windows 11 will install on it just fine.

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Re: Windows 11

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fwellimort wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:27 pm I had Windows 11 for about a week now as I have my updates in Developer mode.

I personally don't like the UI relative to Windows 10.
It just seems like a UI change. Nothing more.

The UI is more tablet friendly. Tablet users might enjoy the change. Everything seems more 'simplified' overall.
It seems the UI is biased towards those with laptops such as the Microsoft Surface Laptops (I wonder why :greedy ).
Desktop/laptop users will be annoyed but will probably grow accustomed to the UI change in a couple days.

I want my Windows 10 UI back. I don't want an OS that feels like it is meant for tablets and not laptops.
But I guess I can't have it all.
Thanks Microsoft with the automatic updates. /s
Are you really complaining about automatic updates? You signed up for the Windows Insider program. The Dev channel is the most aggressive (= most updates, and least tested ones). And Microsoft announced to the whole world they'd push Windows 11 to that channel. Also, I'm pretty sure you can go back to Windows 10 pretty easily.
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Re: Windows 11

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TheDDC wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:08 pm
02nz wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:41 am
oldcomputerguy wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:48 am I think you left one out:
bryanm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am Windows 3.1 - Great!
Windows 95 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 98 - Great!
Windows ME - Innovative but buggy
Windows 2000 -- Innovative and Great! (Got rid of NetBEUI in favor of TCP/IP)
Windows XP - Great!
Windows Vista - Innovative but buggy
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 10 - Great!
Windows 11 - ???
Windows 2000 was indeed great, but it was basically Windows NT 5 and thus not part of the consumer line, which merged with the NT line in XP.
Irrelevant distinction, mostly, since Windows 2000 was still a client OS (as opposed to a server OS, which it also was, but I digress).
Sure, so were Windows NT 4.0 and predecessors. My point was bryanm's original list only included consumer versions of Windows, so it didn't really make sense to stick Windows 2000 in there.
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Re: Windows 11

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bryanm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am Consider:

Windows 3.1 - Great!
Windows 95 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 98 - Great!
Windows ME - Innovative but buggy
Windows XP - Great!
Windows Vista - Innovative but buggy
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 10 - Great!
Windows 11 - ???

I see a pattern.
I'm still having withdrawal pains from Dos 3.3 (released in 1985).

I retired in 2013; when I left, the manufacturing plant was running a laser cutter that only ran on Windows 95 (Released in 1995). I coached the young operator after the machine arrived a few times....but he caught on fast. I assume that it's still going strong.

Windows 11....I'm always excited about new stuff. I'm usually an early adopter. I'll likely run my 2018 Windows 10 Pro Dell desktop until Windows 10 no longer updates. If Windows 11 runs Microsoft Money, I might go earlier. :)

UPDATE Oc 27 2021: My almost 4 year old PC won't work with Win 11 because the processor doesn't qualify. That's not a big deal as Win 10 is fine... now that I'm running a solid state drive.
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Re: Windows 11

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bryanm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am Consider:

Windows 3.1 - Great!
Windows 95 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 98 - Great!
Windows ME - Innovative but buggy
Windows XP - Great!
Windows Vista - Innovative but buggy
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 10 - Great!
Windows 11 - ???

I see a pattern.
I had a Vista machine and it worked great. 7 was better though.
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Re: Windows 11

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Gray wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:22 am
02nz wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:17 am It's really just a naming convention thing. The reality is that the current version of Windows 10 (21H1) is already quite different from the one that came out in 2015, because Microsoft has been providing major updates every 6 to 12 months. So whether they call the next major update Windows 11, or 10, or something else, doesn't really matter all that much. It will just be the next major update. Most hardware and software will continue to work just like before.
I just update continuously and I have never had an issue. I clean install every 2-3 years. Upgrading hardware (laptops and desktops), repasting, cleaning fans, zeroing the hard drives, firmware upgrades if needed, installing 21H1, test installs to confirm drivers, and then the final set, install apps and restore data. I use bitlocker and backup the keys.

I just did this for an Acer laptop, Dell XPS, Dell Latitude, and replaced the 256GB SSDs in two Surface Pro 7+. I read extensively on Reddit and manufacturer support boards about drivers before applying them on top of the Microsoft defaults. Some are needed and beneficial, others not.

My next fun project is opening up a 2018 iMac to upgrade its Drives to 2TB SSDs.

As long as you backup your files and have alternative computers to use it something happens, you’re good. I document a script that I maintain of the final procedure I use so I have it as a reference if I need to replace a computer or hard drive.

I buy the warranties. I already had Dell replace my XPS 17 9700
I also use revo uninstaller to get rid of all the junk uninstallers leave behind. Started using a registry cleaner as well. Again software leaves crap behind.

I find it's really never windows that's the problem it's the software that rides on top.
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Started using a registry cleaner as well. Again software leaves crap behind.
What is a good registry cleaner?
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Re: Windows 11

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bryanm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am Consider:

Windows 3.1 - Great!
Windows 95 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 98 - Great!
Windows ME - Innovative but buggy
Windows XP - Great!
Windows Vista - Innovative but buggy
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 10 - Great!
Windows 11 - ???

I see a pattern.
If memory serves right 98 was so-so until 98 SE.
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Re: Windows 11

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The Windows 11 release date is scheduled at this time for Tuesday, October 5, 2021. As I write this, 2.5 weeks ahead of the scheduled release date, the Windows 11 compatibility-checking tool is not yet available from Microsoft.

I have a spare Windows 10 HD which I plan to repurpose for Windows 11. I was perusing the Microsoft web site and saw something in regard to Windows 11. It said, in essence, now is the time to upgrade your computer hardware. Sorry Microsoft, but no way am I spending one red cent on new hardware just to run Windows 11, nor am I spending one red cent to subscribe to Microsoft 365. If Windows is going to become subscriptionware then deal me out. I'll stick with Windows 10 for as long as possible. I also have a Linux Mint installation which I can press into service just in case. I have a fairly modern machine with an Intel Core i7 CPU, a fancy Nvidia graphics card, 32 GB of RAM (motherboard max) and a 2 TB SSD, so it is far from an antique. If Windows 11 can't run on that hardware then it's a problem with Windows 11, not my machine.

I have uninstalled a lot of Microsoft gimmickware such as Cortana and OneDrive and a bunch of other gimmicks which hog resources and which I never use. I'm sure I'll have to do the same with Windows 11.

IMO Microsoft has a history of releasing half-baked software prematurely. Windows 10 was released several years too early IMO and was the subject of major revisions after its original release. It is still being updated.
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Re: Windows 11

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I sorta remember hacking through the registry of my nt4 workstation to make it think it was server.

I also remember 3.1 didn't like my DR Dos.
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chris319 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:56 pm The Windows 11 release date is scheduled at this time for Tuesday, October 5, 2021. As I write this, 2.5 weeks ahead of the scheduled release date, the Windows 11 compatibility-checking tool is not yet available from Microsoft.

I have a spare Windows 10 HD which I plan to repurpose for Windows 11. I was perusing the Microsoft web site and saw something in regard to Windows 11. It said, in essence, now is the time to upgrade your computer hardware. Sorry Microsoft, but no way am I spending one red cent on new hardware just to run Windows 11, nor am I spending one red cent to subscribe to Microsoft 365. If Windows is going to become subscriptionware then deal me out. I'll stick with Windows 10 for as long as possible. I also have a Linux Mint installation which I can press into service just in case. I have a fairly modern machine with an Intel Core i7 CPU, a fancy Nvidia graphics card, 32 GB of RAM (motherboard max) and a 2 TB SSD, so it is far from an antique. If Windows 11 can't run on that hardware then it's a problem with Windows 11, not my machine.

I have uninstalled a lot of Microsoft gimmickware such as Cortana and OneDrive and a bunch of other gimmicks which hog resources and which I never use. I'm sure I'll have to do the same with Windows 11.

IMO Microsoft has a history of releasing half-baked software prematurely. Windows 10 was released several years too early IMO and was the subject of major revisions after its original release. It is still being updated.
Apparently there's this tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softwar ... ewpchealth

But you need to be part of the Windows Insider program or w/e. I was part of it but left a few days ago without trying this tool :oops: I'll just wait till Oct 5 and see if my laptop can run Windows 11.
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chris319 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:56 pm If Windows is going to become subscriptionware then deal me out.
Shouldn’t you wait for Microsoft to say it is going to be subscription based before you complain?
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chris319 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:56 pm IMO Microsoft has a history of releasing half-baked software prematurely. Windows 10 was released several years too early IMO and was the subject of major revisions after its original release. It is still being updated.
I always wait at least six months before moving to a new build even in W10. I recently looked at the changes in the latest build for 2021 (H1) and didn’t see anything worth bothering with.
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prd1982 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:06 pm
chris319 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:56 pm If Windows is going to become subscriptionware then deal me out.
Shouldn’t you wait for Microsoft to say it is going to be subscription based before you complain?
Who's complaining? I said I wouldn't use Windows if it becomes subscriptionware. Note the use of the word "if", meaning the condition hasn't yet been met.
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Re: Windows 11

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jebmke wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:08 pm
chris319 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:56 pm IMO Microsoft has a history of releasing half-baked software prematurely. Windows 10 was released several years too early IMO and was the subject of major revisions after its original release. It is still being updated.
I always wait at least six months before moving to a new build even in W10. I recently looked at the changes in the latest build for 2021 (H1) and didn’t see anything worth bothering with.
Why do you think I'm looking to put Windows 11 on a repurposed (junk) HD and not on my regular one or my laptop?

Another legitimate complaint about Windows is when an "update" lays waste to your machine. I once "updated" Windows 10 and after the update it would no longer record audio. At all. I use the machine to record audio and it worked just fine before the "update". Turns out the "update" had f****d with my "privacy" settings and turned off the microphone. Never mind that I use an external USB audio interface, it came up snake eyes when I tried to record audio. So I had to scour the web for a solution.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Re: Windows 11

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chris319 wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:39 am With Windows 10 it is possible to disable or eliminate features such as One Drive and Cortana which consume resources but are otherwise useless. You can also turn off telemetry.
One Drive isn't useless, it is a reliable cloud service that is easy to use and works well. When the SSD failed, files on One Drive were fine.
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Re: Windows 11

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squirm wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:02 pm I sorta remember hacking through the registry of my nt4 workstation to make it think it was server.

I also remember 3.1 didn't like my DR Dos.
I'll bet NT4 workstation and server are still running somewhere. Somebody has an application written for one or the other; the application writer is gone, and it's easier to keep NT alive....off the grid, I'm sure.

Probably not for 3.1 or Dr Dos.
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criticalmass wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:31 pm One Drive isn't useless, it is a reliable cloud service that is easy to use and works well. When the SSD failed, files on One Drive were fine.
I have Dropbox which I can access from Windows, Linux or Mac.

When your SSD fails you simply go to your bootable backup. You do have a bootable backup, don't you?
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Re: Windows 11

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jebmke wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:06 pm TPM may kick out a lot of hardware; however, it is still early and they may well change the spec. My need for Windows is probably fading. I can probably convert this box to Linux and get more life out of it although by then the hard drive will be a bit long in the tooth.
My Dell XPS13 is using TPM version 1.2 but it appears that I can update it to 2.0 which is required for W11.
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chris319 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:46 pm
criticalmass wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:31 pm One Drive isn't useless, it is a reliable cloud service that is easy to use and works well. When the SSD failed, files on One Drive were fine.
I have Dropbox which I can access from Windows, Linux or Mac.

When your SSD fails you simply go to your bootable backup. You do have a bootable backup, don't you?
Not sure how that makes One Drive "useless" but sure.
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Re: Windows 11

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bryanm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am Consider:

Windows 3.1 - Great!
Windows 95 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 98 - Great!
Windows ME - Innovative but buggy
Windows XP - Great!
Windows Vista - Innovative but buggy
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 10 - Great!
Windows 11 - ???

I see a pattern.
Please correct me if my senile memory has failed me.....but didn't Microsoft have to get to a Second Edition of Windows 98 before it was "Great!"?
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Re: Windows 11

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cheese_breath wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:40 am
chris319 wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:45 am ... I think I'll continue using 10 for as long as possible (until it won't update any more) before installing 11....
Ditto. I always do that. Used Win/95 even after it was out of support. Delayed going from XP to Win/7 until I had to replace my PC. Delayed going from Win/7 tp Win/10 until support ended. No reason to change my strategy for Win/11.
:oops: I'm always astonished at these posts... I can't fathom willingly using an unsupported OS.

For anyone remotely concerned about security (which should be everyone), please, keep your devices updated! Old, unpatched devices are just asking for trouble for yourself and others...
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Re: Windows 11

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fwellimort wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:27 pm I had Windows 11 for about a week now as I have my updates in Developer mode.

I personally don't like the UI relative to Windows 10.
It just seems like a UI change. Nothing more.

The UI is more tablet friendly. Tablet users might enjoy the change. Everything seems more 'simplified' overall.
It seems the UI is biased towards those with laptops such as the Microsoft Surface Laptops (I wonder why :greedy ).
Desktop/laptop users will be annoyed but will probably grow accustomed to the UI change in a couple days.

I want my Windows 10 UI back. I don't want an OS that feels like it is meant for tablets and not laptops.
But I guess I can't have it all.
Thanks Microsoft with the automatic updates. /s
I've been running an Win 11 on one of my devices, and after I figured out how to move the Start button back to bottom left corner :annoyed , have been happy with it.

To me it feels cleaner, more modern, and maybe slightly more responsive.

There's obviously a learning curve, as some things have changed (but I'm used to this from my phone changing every year or so). For example, there isn't a single system tray icon for volume (or at least by default), instead it's grouped with other things like wifi, Bluetooth, etc. After adapting to the change, I like this better.

But so far so good. I've liked it enough I'll be replacing one of my older devices that won't run Windows 11 in the next few months.
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FreeAtLast wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:57 pm
bryanm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am Consider:

Windows 3.1 - Great!
Windows 95 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 98 - Great!
Windows ME - Innovative but buggy
Windows XP - Great!
Windows Vista - Innovative but buggy
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 10 - Great!
Windows 11 - ???

I see a pattern.
Please correct me if my senile memory has failed me.....but didn't Microsoft have to get to a Second Edition of Windows 98 before it was "Great!"?
I think you are right... I didn't remember what it stood for, but I remember Win 98 SE! :beer
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Re: Windows 11

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chris319 wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:56 pm
SS396 wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:50 pm If the PC you are using now originally ran Windows 7 then my guess is it must be more than 5 years old. The 5+ year old PC may not be compatible with Windows 11. The BIOS on the motherboard probably does not have the secure boot feature or trusted platform module that's required by Windows 11. Use Windows 10 for another 4 years and then decide if it is time to purchase a new PC if Microsoft will not continue support. Good luck.
Aw, cripes, I am NOT buying a new PC just to run Windows 11, no way. I just spent $$ upgrading my RAM and HD. Enough is enough. I'll go to Linux before I buy a new PC just to run Windows 11.
I agree their messaging has not been good...

But my (maybe incorrect) understanding is the hardware requirements are driven by security changes. There have been many hardware based chip flaws, that have been attempted to be masked with software. Microsoft is also pushing for a "password less" future - which I welcome! (Passwords suck for user experience and security...). But to deliver on that, devices need to have the right hardware to pull it off in a secure fashion (aka TPM chips, or similar built into the CPU).

As such, I'm OK with setting minimum hardware requirements.
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Windows 11 might work on my Dell 2018 Optiplex 7050

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After reading this discussion, I had to find out if my Optiplex would run Windows 11.
Dell support said to go to the driver page for my computer and look for a TPM Version 2.0 update driver.
That driver was available.
If I wanted to go to Windows 11 on my 3 year old PC (personal computer-IBM style), it would likely work.
Since Windows 10 is working well, I won't go to the trouble.

Bottom Line: Check with your computer maker and see if you can upgrade to TMP V 2.0....if interested.

Note: I think for many, TMP V 2.0 is keeping many PCs from upgrading to Windows 11.
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I am using Windows 11 Home
Version 21H2
Installed July 31
OS build 22000.94
Windows feature experience pack


So far I am enjoying the experience
Fast ,lightweight.
Not buggy so far.
Adjusting to new GUI.
Dell Inspiron
Dell XPS

:happy
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After reading this article, Windows 11 doesn't seem worth the bother. For what, snazzier eye candy?

I thought Windows 10 was supposed to be the ultimate.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3623812 ... 1-yet.html
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chris319 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:14 pm After reading this article, Windows 11 doesn't seem worth the bother. For what, snazzier eye candy?

I thought Windows 10 was supposed to be the ultimate.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3623812 ... 1-yet.html
Common misunderstanding... Windows - like all major operating systems from iOS, Mac, Android, ChromeOS, Linux, etc. - is constantly updating.

Windows 10 was just a "name"... Since it's initial release there were typically 2 new versions released a year. I believe the current count is 12 (soon to be 13) different "versions" that were all called "Windows 10". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1 ... on_history

So unless you've let your computer get horribly out of date running on an unsupported (and thus I'd argue unsecured) version of the OS - you've been upgrading 1-2 times a year since you first moved to Windows 10 - and likely didn't even realize it...

Each of these updates has brought some level of change, although the overall look/feel of Windows largely remained unchanged.

Windows 11 looks like a bigger change - given its new user interface. But its just part of the ongoing evolution of our computing world.
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chris319 wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:45 am What do people hear about Windows 11? Supposedly it will be released toward the end of 2021.

The transition from Windows 7 to 10 went smoothly for me, then it was a bumpy ride after that. IMO Microsoft released Windows 10 a few years too soon and have been playing catch-up ever since.

The end of support for Windows 10 is October 14, 2025. I think I'll continue using 10 for as long as possible (until it won't update any more) before installing 11.

I dread the thought of having to pave my machine and install Windows anew and get all the settings just the way I had them before. I also hope they don't bloat the OS with a bunch of useless gimmicks and whirligigs.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/14/2253 ... pport-date
The main reason for Windows 11 is to support Intel's 12th generation (Alder Lake) CPUs, which use a completely different chip architecture which splits computations between performance and efficiency cores. The heterodox cores required massive changes to how the scheduler in Windows works. If you're not buying a new Intel PC, it's probably best to stick with Win 10 at least until they iron out the inevitable bugs.
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I'm still running Windows 7. There are a number of things about Window 10 that kept me from switching. However, they've changed at least some of them with Windows 11, so I'm cautiously optimistic that I'll get it.
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LiterallyIronic wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:59 pm I'm still running Windows 7. There are a number of things about Window 10 that kept me from switching. However, they've changed at least some of them with Windows 11, so I'm cautiously optimistic that I'll get it.
same here! I used to say they’d have to pry Win 7 out of my hands, but I’m going to try 11. I hope it’s not a disaster :shock:
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Supergrover wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:49 pm
LiterallyIronic wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:59 pm I'm still running Windows 7. There are a number of things about Window 10 that kept me from switching. However, they've changed at least some of them with Windows 11, so I'm cautiously optimistic that I'll get it.
same here! I used to say they’d have to pry Win 7 out of my hands, but I’m going to try 11. I hope it’s not a disaster :shock:
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Independent George wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:40 pm The main reason for Windows 11 is to support Intel's 12th generation (Alder Lake) CPUs, which use a completely different chip architecture which splits computations between performance and efficiency cores. The heterodox cores required massive changes to how the scheduler in Windows works. If you're not buying a new Intel PC, it's probably best to stick with Win 10 at least until they iron out the inevitable bugs.
Thanks for shedding some light on this. When I switch to Windows 11 it will be when I buy a whole new computer and not until.
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unless you've let your computer get horribly out of date running on an unsupported (and thus I'd argue unsecured) version of the OS - you've been upgrading 1-2 times a year since you first moved to Windows 10 - and likely didn't even realize it...
I check for and install updates 1-2 times per month, if not more frequently.
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chris319 wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:14 am
unless you've let your computer get horribly out of date running on an unsupported (and thus I'd argue unsecured) version of the OS - you've been upgrading 1-2 times a year since you first moved to Windows 10 - and likely didn't even realize it...
I check for and install updates 1-2 times per month, if not more frequently.
Then you've likely gone through multiple "upgrades" without realizing it, as they were all still called Windows 10. But every 6 months or so it was actually an entirely new version of Windows 10.

I've got no problem with people delaying moving to Windows 11 so long as their current OS continues to be supported and getting updates. For users on the current version of Windows 10, I believe that's through the end of 2022. Assuming Microsoft continues their cadence, the next version of Windows 10 should be supported for 18 months from its release.

But at some point, Microsoft will discontinue support for Windows 10, at which point its time to get off. I cringe when I hear people willingly running on an unsupported OS (meaning it no longer gets security updates). Outdated / unpatched devices are begging to be exploited by hackers. Don't give them futile ground...

If outdated hardware is the issue, I'd much rather spend a few hundred (if needed) to get a newer computer so I can stay on a supported/patched OS. I can't imagine risking my identity, security, and bank accounts to save a couple of bucks, or because I like the old version better... It just makes no sense to me...
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I have an 8+ year old Dell XPS desktop that is running Windows 10. Early generation Core i7. Over the years I've upgraded to 16g RAM (from 8g RAM), put in an SSD, and put in a modest video card. It is super fast and runs Windows 10 like a top but is not compatible with Windows 11. Even if it was, I'm not sure I would upgrade it for what seem like mostly cosmetic changes. All I do is browse the Internet, run MS Office, and Quicken. When I eventually get a new PC it will come with Windows 11 (or a later version) on it.
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mancich wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:43 am I have an 8+ year old Dell XPS desktop that is running Windows 10. Early generation Core i7. Over the years I've upgraded to 16g RAM (from 8g RAM), put in an SSD, and put in a modest video card. It is super fast and runs Windows 10 like a top but is not compatible with Windows 11. Even if it was, I'm not sure I would upgrade it for what seem like mostly cosmetic changes. All I do is browse the Internet, run MS Office, and Quicken. When I eventually get a new PC it will come with Windows 11 (or a later version) on it.
Exactly the same here, but no Dell desktop and no Quicken.
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Re: Windows 11

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FreeAtLast wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:57 pm
bryanm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am Consider:

Windows 3.1 - Great!
Windows 95 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 98 - Great!
Windows ME - Innovative but buggy
Windows XP - Great!
Windows Vista - Innovative but buggy
Windows 7 - Great!
Windows 8 - Innovative but buggy
Windows 10 - Great!
Windows 11 - ???

I see a pattern.
Please correct me if my senile memory has failed me.....but didn't Microsoft have to get to a Second Edition of Windows 98 before it was "Great!"?
Was there a 2d Edition? Yes. It came about a year after the original Win 98 release.
Win 98...Released to
manufacturing May 15, 1998; 23 years ago
General
availability June 25, 1998; 23 years ago
Latest release Second Edition (4.10.2222 A) / May 5, 1999; 22 years ago[1]
The rest of the story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98

Where I worked, we bought new Dells with Win 98 2D ED installed throughout the plant. We ran those computers 3-5 years. We passed on Windows Me; Windows Me didn't seem like an improvement.
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