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I'm going to go out there and suggest a used Chevy Suburban. You say you will only be using it for trips so you may as well get a vehicle that is comfortable and can carry everything without having to install a rooftop carrier and a basket hanging off the rear.
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I agree. I think for decades the Suburban has probably been the best all-purpose family hauler you can buy. Everyone suggests a minivan but the Suburban is much more capable at about everything. Not to mention you can tow a boat/trailer/camper/etc. I really couldn't think of a better family vehicle than this. If we ever expand ours enough, an Escalade ESV is definitely on my short list for the DW.p14175 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:31 pm I'm going to go out there and suggest a used Chevy Suburban. You say you will only be using it for trips so you may as well get a vehicle that is comfortable and can carry everything without having to install a rooftop carrier and a basket hanging off the rear.
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If you've got $55k+ (Suburban) or $80k+ (Escalade) laying around. I'll take the minivan.Workaholic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:38 pmI agree. I think for decades the Suburban has probably been the best all-purpose family hauler you can buy. Everyone suggests a minivan but the Suburban is much more capable at about everything. Not to mention you can tow a boat/trailer/camper/etc. I really couldn't think of a better family vehicle than this. If we ever expand ours enough, an Escalade ESV is definitely on my short list for the DW.p14175 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:31 pm I'm going to go out there and suggest a used Chevy Suburban. You say you will only be using it for trips so you may as well get a vehicle that is comfortable and can carry everything without having to install a rooftop carrier and a basket hanging off the rear.
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Agree with one of the previous posts - the Tesla Model Y 7 seater might meet your requirements.
Also, might want to consider a gently used or CPO Model S with a 7 seat configuration. You can post a “looking to buy” on the Tesla Motors Club forum under the “Tesla for sale” thread. I went this route.
Another option I would consider is a used Lexus RX 450L (hybrid) with second row captains chairs.
Also, might want to consider a gently used or CPO Model S with a 7 seat configuration. You can post a “looking to buy” on the Tesla Motors Club forum under the “Tesla for sale” thread. I went this route.
Another option I would consider is a used Lexus RX 450L (hybrid) with second row captains chairs.
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The best choice isn't usually the cheapest . The minivan is good at one singular task which is hauling people. The Suburban can do that as well as tow boats/campers/etc and has a capable 4WD system if you go up in the mountains or somewhere the terrain isn't perfect.stoptothink wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:09 pmIf you've got $55k+ (Suburban) or $80k+ (Escalade) laying around. I'll take the minivan.Workaholic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:38 pmI agree. I think for decades the Suburban has probably been the best all-purpose family hauler you can buy. Everyone suggests a minivan but the Suburban is much more capable at about everything. Not to mention you can tow a boat/trailer/camper/etc. I really couldn't think of a better family vehicle than this. If we ever expand ours enough, an Escalade ESV is definitely on my short list for the DW.p14175 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:31 pm I'm going to go out there and suggest a used Chevy Suburban. You say you will only be using it for trips so you may as well get a vehicle that is comfortable and can carry everything without having to install a rooftop carrier and a basket hanging off the rear.
I don't mind spending $80K on a vehicle that has everything I want and with how well they sell, it appears many other don't have that issue either.
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Thanks everyone so much! After looking at everyone’s recommendations, turns out that a minivan was what I needed. The Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid is my top contender now. I see the Limited trim in my area for around $45k. Going to test drive soon
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Great choice! Good luckstanthecaddy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:28 pm Thanks everyone so much! After looking at everyone’s recommendations, turns out that a minivan was what I needed. The Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid is my top contender now. I see the Limited trim in my area for around $45k. Going to test drive soon
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Father of two here. Used to drive a sports car. Cant tell you how much I love the Minivan, it’s been the best thing I’ve ever purchased for the family. The sliding doors take the cake. The thing most people don’t emphasize is the visibility for the kids. Sedans and SUVs don’t allow the kids to see much, but a minivan? They can see the world through their massive and low side windows. Super easy to get in and out of. Happy kids, less stressed dad. Hauling champion.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:22 am Lots of great responses. Thanks everyone. I’ll admit I didn’t consider minivans merely for the “cool” factor. I suppose I can’t really hide the soccer dad I am.
It does seem to me that the technologies are rapidly changing and there’s some inherent unpredictability to it. I usually buy a car and run it to the ground 15 years later. But now might be a good time to lease.
Sienna hybrid would be my choice.
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If you want to spend 80k on a road trip vehicle a medium roof transit conversion is much more comfortable than an Escalade.stoptothink wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:09 pmIf you've got $55k+ (Suburban) or $80k+ (Escalade) laying around. I'll take the minivan.Workaholic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:38 pmI agree. I think for decades the Suburban has probably been the best all-purpose family hauler you can buy. Everyone suggests a minivan but the Suburban is much more capable at about everything. Not to mention you can tow a boat/trailer/camper/etc. I really couldn't think of a better family vehicle than this. If we ever expand ours enough, an Escalade ESV is definitely on my short list for the DW.p14175 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:31 pm I'm going to go out there and suggest a used Chevy Suburban. You say you will only be using it for trips so you may as well get a vehicle that is comfortable and can carry everything without having to install a rooftop carrier and a basket hanging off the rear.
Something like this:
http://www.explorerconversionvanspa.com ... pe=Contact
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It's definitely nice but I don't think my DW would want to drive it. Like they say...happy wife, happy life.teCh0010 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:18 amIf you want to spend 80k on a road trip vehicle a medium roof transit conversion is much more comfortable than an Escalade.stoptothink wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:09 pmIf you've got $55k+ (Suburban) or $80k+ (Escalade) laying around. I'll take the minivan.Workaholic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:38 pmI agree. I think for decades the Suburban has probably been the best all-purpose family hauler you can buy. Everyone suggests a minivan but the Suburban is much more capable at about everything. Not to mention you can tow a boat/trailer/camper/etc. I really couldn't think of a better family vehicle than this. If we ever expand ours enough, an Escalade ESV is definitely on my short list for the DW.p14175 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:31 pm I'm going to go out there and suggest a used Chevy Suburban. You say you will only be using it for trips so you may as well get a vehicle that is comfortable and can carry everything without having to install a rooftop carrier and a basket hanging off the rear.
Something like this:
http://www.explorerconversionvanspa.com ... pe=Contact
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If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
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Well I don’t know. My wife said she requires 4 kids...lisarothchildco wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
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We're the prototypical outdoorsy family whose vacations almost exclusively include dozens of miles of hiking and a tent. We currently do it, with our two kids, out of a VW jetta and did it out of a 3-door hyundai accent hatch before that. But, she recently saw pictures of the upcoming VW ID.buzz (the reinvented microbus) and hinted that maybe it would be nice after sharing a single compact care for almost our entire marriage...I doubt she'd be able to stomach spending $45k+ on a car if it actually came down to it (and we could easily afford the escalade)lisarothchildco wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
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I think looking for a new wife would be MUCH more expensive than buying mine a Cadillac every few years so therefore financially it's better to keep happy the wife I have . Not to mention I love her and she's the mother of my children...lisarothchildco wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
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To each their own...stoptothink wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:40 pmWe're the prototypical outdoorsy family whose vacations almost exclusively include dozens of miles of hiking and a tent. We currently do it, with our two kids, out of a VW jetta and did it out of a 3-door hyundai accent hatch before that. But, she recently saw pictures of the upcoming VW ID.buzz (the reinvented microbus) and hinted that maybe it would be nice after sharing a single compact care for almost our entire marriage...I doubt she'd be able to stomach spending $45k+ on a car if it actually came down to it (and we could easily afford the escalade)lisarothchildco wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
Some Bogleheads seem to wear their badge of frugality with pride but to me, it's fairly silly to shun purchases that could improve your lifestyle and are, in the long term, inconsequential to a goal of financial independence/retirement. I'm not saying everyone should be buying a new luxury car every other year but spending $45,000 on something that you will utilize and enjoy seems to be a small price to pay in my eyes.
I would rather have a healthy balance between saving and spending than leaning too far to either extreme.
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The balance varies wildly among Bogleheads. We not only have very different income ranges, but also very different life stages. It is really hard to know what a healthy balance through the early to middle part of the accumulation phase.Workaholic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:12 pmTo each their own...stoptothink wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:40 pmWe're the prototypical outdoorsy family whose vacations almost exclusively include dozens of miles of hiking and a tent. We currently do it, with our two kids, out of a VW jetta and did it out of a 3-door hyundai accent hatch before that. But, she recently saw pictures of the upcoming VW ID.buzz (the reinvented microbus) and hinted that maybe it would be nice after sharing a single compact care for almost our entire marriage...I doubt she'd be able to stomach spending $45k+ on a car if it actually came down to it (and we could easily afford the escalade)lisarothchildco wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
Some Bogleheads seem to wear their badge of frugality with pride but to me, it's fairly silly to shun purchases that could improve your lifestyle and are, in the long term, inconsequential to a goal of financial independence/retirement. I'm not saying everyone should be buying a new luxury car every other year but spending $45,000 on something that you will utilize and enjoy seems to be a small price to pay in my eyes.
I would rather have a healthy balance between saving and spending than leaning too far to either extreme.
The specific vehicles mentioned represent probably a couple thousand dollars per year in average annual TCO, which is a lot of money for some of us. It does mean compromising in other spending habits or in saving, even if compared fixed costs, it qualifies as easily affordable.
The most annoying part from my perspective is the fact that history indicates I am probably oversaving by a decent amount, but also that there is a non-trivial chance that I am undersaving.
That said, my wife talked me upwards by about $5k from our original target when we replaced her car. Sometimes "common" sense does prevail. In this case I mean "common" to indicate what any normal person would do in my situation, not necessarily what is most logical.
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I understand what you're saying and I think many Bogleheads are, by nature, oversavers. I'm probably an outlier. I feel life is a marathon, not a sprint. I want to spread my enjoyment and money out over my lifespan instead of having an enormous nest egg to spend down when I'm 60+ years old. Is there some inherent risk in not having enough? Sure but I would think that risk is fairly small over the larger chance of having more than enough. This balance works for me, obviously YMMV.iamlucky13 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:00 pmThe balance varies wildly among Bogleheads. We not only have very different income ranges, but also very different life stages. It is really hard to know what a healthy balance through the early to middle part of the accumulation phase.Workaholic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:12 pmTo each their own...stoptothink wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:40 pmWe're the prototypical outdoorsy family whose vacations almost exclusively include dozens of miles of hiking and a tent. We currently do it, with our two kids, out of a VW jetta and did it out of a 3-door hyundai accent hatch before that. But, she recently saw pictures of the upcoming VW ID.buzz (the reinvented microbus) and hinted that maybe it would be nice after sharing a single compact care for almost our entire marriage...I doubt she'd be able to stomach spending $45k+ on a car if it actually came down to it (and we could easily afford the escalade)lisarothchildco wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
Some Bogleheads seem to wear their badge of frugality with pride but to me, it's fairly silly to shun purchases that could improve your lifestyle and are, in the long term, inconsequential to a goal of financial independence/retirement. I'm not saying everyone should be buying a new luxury car every other year but spending $45,000 on something that you will utilize and enjoy seems to be a small price to pay in my eyes.
I would rather have a healthy balance between saving and spending than leaning too far to either extreme.
The specific vehicles mentioned represent probably a couple thousand dollars per year in average annual TCO, which is a lot of money for some of us. It does mean compromising in other spending habits or in saving, even if compared fixed costs, it qualifies as easily affordable.
The most annoying part from my perspective is the fact that history indicates I am probably oversaving by a decent amount, but also that there is a non-trivial chance that I am undersaving.
That said, my wife talked me upwards by about $5k from our original target when we replaced her car. Sometimes "common" sense does prevail. In this case I mean "common" to indicate what any normal person would do in my situation, not necessarily what is most logical.
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We can just think of about a zillion things that would improve our quality of life more for $40k+ than the difference between (say) a VW. ID. buzz and an escalade as a family hauler. I'm a total "car guy" but I can't wrap my head around the opportunity cost; that is a ton of awesome family vacations.Workaholic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:12 pmTo each their own...stoptothink wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:40 pmWe're the prototypical outdoorsy family whose vacations almost exclusively include dozens of miles of hiking and a tent. We currently do it, with our two kids, out of a VW jetta and did it out of a 3-door hyundai accent hatch before that. But, she recently saw pictures of the upcoming VW ID.buzz (the reinvented microbus) and hinted that maybe it would be nice after sharing a single compact care for almost our entire marriage...I doubt she'd be able to stomach spending $45k+ on a car if it actually came down to it (and we could easily afford the escalade)lisarothchildco wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
Some Bogleheads seem to wear their badge of frugality with pride but to me, it's fairly silly to shun purchases that could improve your lifestyle and are, in the long term, inconsequential to a goal of financial independence/retirement. I'm not saying everyone should be buying a new luxury car every other year but spending $45,000 on something that you will utilize and enjoy seems to be a small price to pay in my eyes.
I would rather have a healthy balance between saving and spending than leaning too far to either extreme.
I also recall you posting in another thread that you would consider Net Jets at $5M net worth; you value how you travel far more than I do. Just different strokes.
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I read some article about how minivans are a lot like super cars, since the platform needs so much specialization to accommodate the packaging goals. For super cars, it's to reduce weight and make things more compact. For minivans, it's the same, but for fuel economy and to make more interior room. That's something to appreciate also.angelescrest wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:05 amFather of two here. Used to drive a sports car. Cant tell you how much I love the Minivan, it’s been the best thing I’ve ever purchased for the family. The sliding doors take the cake. The thing most people don’t emphasize is the visibility for the kids. Sedans and SUVs don’t allow the kids to see much, but a minivan? They can see the world through their massive and low side windows. Super easy to get in and out of. Happy kids, less stressed dad. Hauling champion.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:22 am Lots of great responses. Thanks everyone. I’ll admit I didn’t consider minivans merely for the “cool” factor. I suppose I can’t really hide the soccer dad I am.
It does seem to me that the technologies are rapidly changing and there’s some inherent unpredictability to it. I usually buy a car and run it to the ground 15 years later. But now might be a good time to lease.
Sienna hybrid would be my choice.
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I added the bold. That would come to $12k over a 10 year period. Over a 60 year driving lifetime, you're looking at $72k. It adds up.DoubleComma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:15 amNot every buying choice you make has to be the most BH friendly and still consider yourself a BH.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:23 pm I’m looking to buy a family car to transport 5 people including two kids in car seats. My top contenders are Kia Telluride/ Hyundai Palisade. It’s killing me that I’m not only buying a gas guzzler, but about to drop $45k on it. I really thought my next car would be an electric car, but there aren’t any with a third row seat that I need + seems to me that the infrastructure is at least 3-5 years away.
Thoughts on what should I do? I need the car right away.
P.S: we plan to use it on road trips other than daily use. Not gonna use it for commuting.
Buy the vehicle that makes you happy. If you don’t want a minivan don’t get one. We are a family of 5 and have suburban, previous was a Highlander, and I wound declare the suburban better for us in every way.
My wife drives it as her kid hauler daily abs we use it for family travel regularly. In fact we just made a 10 hour each way road trip in it this week.
Gas mileage is a rounding error in annual budget between most large SUV and Minivan. For example our Suburban blended fuel economy is 17, where most minivans I see reported at 26, so for 15,000 annual miles that’s less than 300 gallons of fuel. At $4/gal that’s less than $1200 a year.
I’m not letting $1,200 prevent me from buying what I want. Same with purchase price less residual value when I’m done with a vehicle. I’m not going to let net worth rounding errors impact vehicle of choice.
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This is a horrible option. The RXL only exists so Lexus can advertise a "3-row SUV" without actually having to build one. They just added 4 inches to the existing RX and crammed a pair of tiny seat in there, with literally zero legroom (3rd row seat touches the back of the 2nd row when both are in their normal position).
The only way you can put (very small) people in the third row of the RXL is by significantly cutting into the legroom of the second AND first rows. This is a big problem, since the RX already has less legroom in the first and second rows than all of its competitors.
Add me to the minivan crowd on this one.
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Oh I agree, different strokes for different folks. It all comes down to what you enjoy spending your disposable income on. I drive an F-150 and I wouldn't trade it for a Mercedes or any luxury car. My wife enjoys having something flashier and that's fine by me. We tend to splurge on travel but we own a modest home that suits us just fine. I have no desire to have the fanciest home on the block because it's not something we value.stoptothink wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:16 pmWe can just think of about a zillion things that would improve our quality of life more for $40k+ than the difference between (say) a VW. ID. buzz and an escalade as a family hauler. I'm a total "car guy" but I can't wrap my head around the opportunity cost; that is a ton of awesome family vacations.Workaholic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:12 pmTo each their own...stoptothink wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:40 pmWe're the prototypical outdoorsy family whose vacations almost exclusively include dozens of miles of hiking and a tent. We currently do it, with our two kids, out of a VW jetta and did it out of a 3-door hyundai accent hatch before that. But, she recently saw pictures of the upcoming VW ID.buzz (the reinvented microbus) and hinted that maybe it would be nice after sharing a single compact care for almost our entire marriage...I doubt she'd be able to stomach spending $45k+ on a car if it actually came down to it (and we could easily afford the escalade)lisarothchildco wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm If you're wife requires a Escalade ESV I think I would be looking for a new wife.
Some Bogleheads seem to wear their badge of frugality with pride but to me, it's fairly silly to shun purchases that could improve your lifestyle and are, in the long term, inconsequential to a goal of financial independence/retirement. I'm not saying everyone should be buying a new luxury car every other year but spending $45,000 on something that you will utilize and enjoy seems to be a small price to pay in my eyes.
I would rather have a healthy balance between saving and spending than leaning too far to either extreme.
I also recall you posting in another thread that you would consider Net Jets at $5M net worth; you value how you travel far more than I do. Just different strokes.
We max out all retirement accounts as well as contribute to a taxable account. As long as we aren't living higher than our budget allows, it doesn't matter.
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More engineering goes into a conventional car than a supercar.hi_there wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:20 pmI read some article about how minivans are a lot like super cars, since the platform needs so much specialization to accommodate the packaging goals. For super cars, it's to reduce weight and make things more compact. For minivans, it's the same, but for fuel economy and to make more interior room. That's something to appreciate also.angelescrest wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:05 am Father of two here. Used to drive a sports car. Cant tell you how much I love the Minivan, it’s been the best thing I’ve ever purchased for the family. The sliding doors take the cake. The thing most people don’t emphasize is the visibility for the kids. Sedans and SUVs don’t allow the kids to see much, but a minivan? They can see the world through their massive and low side windows. Super easy to get in and out of. Happy kids, less stressed dad. Hauling champion.
Sienna hybrid would be my choice.
Consider the Bugatti Veyron: they built 450 of them and sold them for somewhere around $2 million each. The entire program cost less than $1 billion including manufacturing, and there was almost no commonality to leverage with other models or prior generations.
GM has a capital budget of $8 billion per year, which as I understand means mostly R&D. That covers a long list of models, but many of them have a high degree of commonality via shared platforms, so their R&D amounts to maybe 3-4 platforms per year. Platform development is mostly evolutionary - a platform sees only small changes over a space of 4-10 years depending on the market segment, then gets a new generation released.
So designing a new body and interior for a couple related models is often getting over $1 billion worth of engineering effort. A complete overhaul of a platform with a a new body and interior plus a new or significantly updated engine, transmission, and suspension can be in the ballpark of $5 billion.
The priorities for those development dollars are quite different, however, so it's not particularly useful to compare them head-to-head, but there is a certain perspective from which a $20,000 commuter sedan is a more incredible engineering achievement than a $2 million super car.
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Oh one more thing: a ridiculously awesome turning radius. Who would’ve thought? Compare that to a truck.hi_there wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:20 pmI read some article about how minivans are a lot like super cars, since the platform needs so much specialization to accommodate the packaging goals. For super cars, it's to reduce weight and make things more compact. For minivans, it's the same, but for fuel economy and to make more interior room. That's something to appreciate also.angelescrest wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:05 amFather of two here. Used to drive a sports car. Cant tell you how much I love the Minivan, it’s been the best thing I’ve ever purchased for the family. The sliding doors take the cake. The thing most people don’t emphasize is the visibility for the kids. Sedans and SUVs don’t allow the kids to see much, but a minivan? They can see the world through their massive and low side windows. Super easy to get in and out of. Happy kids, less stressed dad. Hauling champion.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:22 am Lots of great responses. Thanks everyone. I’ll admit I didn’t consider minivans merely for the “cool” factor. I suppose I can’t really hide the soccer dad I am.
It does seem to me that the technologies are rapidly changing and there’s some inherent unpredictability to it. I usually buy a car and run it to the ground 15 years later. But now might be a good time to lease.
Sienna hybrid would be my choice.
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Thank you for reinforcing my position...$72k over 60 years is nothing. Most families will spend more than that on pizza.Living Free wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:34 pmI added the bold. That would come to $12k over a 10 year period. Over a 60 year driving lifetime, you're looking at $72k. It adds up.DoubleComma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:15 amNot every buying choice you make has to be the most BH friendly and still consider yourself a BH.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:23 pm I’m looking to buy a family car to transport 5 people including two kids in car seats. My top contenders are Kia Telluride/ Hyundai Palisade. It’s killing me that I’m not only buying a gas guzzler, but about to drop $45k on it. I really thought my next car would be an electric car, but there aren’t any with a third row seat that I need + seems to me that the infrastructure is at least 3-5 years away.
Thoughts on what should I do? I need the car right away.
P.S: we plan to use it on road trips other than daily use. Not gonna use it for commuting.
Buy the vehicle that makes you happy. If you don’t want a minivan don’t get one. We are a family of 5 and have suburban, previous was a Highlander, and I wound declare the suburban better for us in every way.
My wife drives it as her kid hauler daily abs we use it for family travel regularly. In fact we just made a 10 hour each way road trip in it this week.
Gas mileage is a rounding error in annual budget between most large SUV and Minivan. For example our Suburban blended fuel economy is 17, where most minivans I see reported at 26, so for 15,000 annual miles that’s less than 300 gallons of fuel. At $4/gal that’s less than $1200 a year.
I’m not letting $1,200 prevent me from buying what I want. Same with purchase price less residual value when I’m done with a vehicle. I’m not going to let net worth rounding errors impact vehicle of choice.
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How about a Toyota Highlander? Plenty of seating and they really hold their value and get great reviews by Consumer Reports. A Subaru Outback would be another to consider but may be tight with the two car seats.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:23 pm I’m looking to buy a family car to transport 5 people including two kids in car seats. My top contenders are Kia Telluride/ Hyundai Palisade. It’s killing me that I’m not only buying a gas guzzler, but about to drop $45k on it. I really thought my next car would be an electric car, but there aren’t any with a third row seat that I need + seems to me that the infrastructure is at least 3-5 years away.
Thoughts on what should I do? I need the car right away.
P.S: we plan to use it on road trips other than daily use. Not gonna use it for commuting.
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No comment on the decision to buy.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:23 pm I’m looking to buy a family car to transport 5 people including two kids in car seats. My top contenders are Kia Telluride/ Hyundai Palisade. It’s killing me that I’m not only buying a gas guzzler, but about to drop $45k on it. I really thought my next car would be an electric car, but there aren’t any with a third row seat that I need + seems to me that the infrastructure is at least 3-5 years away.
Thoughts on what should I do? I need the car right away.
P.S: we plan to use it on road trips other than daily use. Not gonna use it for commuting.
However, I recommend going to /askcarsales on Reddit.
Supply on everything is severely constrained.
MARP on either of these is a good deal right now - and with the chip supply chain shortage, it could be months.
Honestly, a minivan through Craigslist might be the way to go.
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Chrysler Pacifica is fully electric for first 36 miles. Which means it can be your electric commute car and gasoline for long trips. Not a bad compromise. Like you I am in looking for 3-5 person minivan.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:23 pm I’m looking to buy a family car to transport 5 people including two kids in car seats. My top contenders are Kia Telluride/ Hyundai Palisade. It’s killing me that I’m not only buying a gas guzzler, but about to drop $45k on it. I really thought my next car would be an electric car, but there aren’t any with a third row seat that I need + seems to me that the infrastructure is at least 3-5 years away.
Thoughts on what should I do? I need the car right away.
P.S: we plan to use it on road trips other than daily use. Not gonna use it for commuting.
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It's interesting how that Kia Telluride with 20/27 mpg is a relatively inefficient car nowadays. From the internet, this is about the same fuel efficiency as a much smaller and lighter typical 1990s sedan like Honda Accord. I recall that Dodge Durango from a while ago used to get 9/10 mpg.
Anyway, if it was my money to buy a new three row vehicle, I'd say the Kia would be the top of my list, based on seemingly unanimous praise from everyone. 2021 Toyota Sienna is also looking pretty good. $35k starting price and 36 mpg, along with all the standard technology is a great value.
Anyway, if it was my money to buy a new three row vehicle, I'd say the Kia would be the top of my list, based on seemingly unanimous praise from everyone. 2021 Toyota Sienna is also looking pretty good. $35k starting price and 36 mpg, along with all the standard technology is a great value.
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Unless things have changed since last summer, the Telluride will run you 20k more than the Sienna once you try to buy one. I think the last quote I got on one was about $55k and that didn't include taxes, etc. It got dropped from my list based on that experience and a few others. I get that the Telluride is popular and demand is high, but the way Kia dealers throw on appearance packages, Simonizing (lol..), etc. to try to inflate the price was really off-putting to me. One guy offered to put me on his "$5995 over MSRP wait list". No thanks. If I am paying luxury prices I'd like to get treated like I am buying a luxury car.hi_there wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:19 pm It's interesting how that Kia Telluride with 20/27 mpg is a relatively inefficient car nowadays. From the internet, this is about the same fuel efficiency as a much smaller and lighter typical 1990s sedan like Honda Accord. I recall that Dodge Durango from a while ago used to get 9/10 mpg.
Anyway, if it was my money to buy a new three row vehicle, I'd say the Kia would be the top of my list, based on seemingly unanimous praise from everyone. 2021 Toyota Sienna is also looking pretty good. $35k starting price and 36 mpg, along with all the standard technology is a great value.
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$72k is a substantial amount of money. It's okay if some folks find it worth that much to drive particular cars, but it's still a substantial amount of money. (I also value pizza more than I value specific cars )DoubleComma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:18 pmThank you for reinforcing my position...$72k over 60 years is nothing. Most families will spend more than that on pizza.Living Free wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:34 pmI added the bold. That would come to $12k over a 10 year period. Over a 60 year driving lifetime, you're looking at $72k. It adds up.DoubleComma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:15 amNot every buying choice you make has to be the most BH friendly and still consider yourself a BH.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:23 pm I’m looking to buy a family car to transport 5 people including two kids in car seats. My top contenders are Kia Telluride/ Hyundai Palisade. It’s killing me that I’m not only buying a gas guzzler, but about to drop $45k on it. I really thought my next car would be an electric car, but there aren’t any with a third row seat that I need + seems to me that the infrastructure is at least 3-5 years away.
Thoughts on what should I do? I need the car right away.
P.S: we plan to use it on road trips other than daily use. Not gonna use it for commuting.
Buy the vehicle that makes you happy. If you don’t want a minivan don’t get one. We are a family of 5 and have suburban, previous was a Highlander, and I wound declare the suburban better for us in every way.
My wife drives it as her kid hauler daily abs we use it for family travel regularly. In fact we just made a 10 hour each way road trip in it this week.
Gas mileage is a rounding error in annual budget between most large SUV and Minivan. For example our Suburban blended fuel economy is 17, where most minivans I see reported at 26, so for 15,000 annual miles that’s less than 300 gallons of fuel. At $4/gal that’s less than $1200 a year.
I’m not letting $1,200 prevent me from buying what I want. Same with purchase price less residual value when I’m done with a vehicle. I’m not going to let net worth rounding errors impact vehicle of choice.
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Excellent choice. "Coolest" car we have ever owned, and the list includes a bunch of luxury SUVs, BMWs and sports cars. The kids are in love with it, tons of space, rear DVDs, power everything, feels like you're driving a rocket ship. And with all of the subsidies/tax credits it will be 20–30% cheaper than anything else on your list.stanthecaddy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:28 pm Thanks everyone so much! After looking at everyone’s recommendations, turns out that a minivan was what I needed. The Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid is my top contender now. I see the Limited trim in my area for around $45k. Going to test drive soon
A heads up on negotiating – you should be able to get at least 7 to 10k off MSRP before the tax credits/rebates. We managed 12k off a 2020 at the end of last year plus another 10k off in credits. It worked out to 27k + TTL for a brand new limited w/ 48k MSRP.
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+1 Purchase the safest car you can afford that meets your current and future anticipated needs (and maybe a want or two). Also, does it have to be new? If you can find something 2 or 3 years old, in most cases someone else has already taken most of the depreciation "hit".Watty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:14 pmWhen buying a car safety is one of my highest priorities.
Here is a list of the top safety picks with lots of choices to choose from.
I would need a really good reason to buy a new car that is not on that list.
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks
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I easily brought home half a dozen 16 foot 2x4's with my Crosstrek. I put my kayak rack on the factory crossbars and used a couple ratchet straps to tie the wood down. Worked great.dukeblue219 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:33 pm BHers allegedly haul more 4x8 plywood and drywall than any other car buyers I've ever met
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That's hilarious. And I'm a huge fan of minivans for their utility.dukeblue219 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:33 pm BHers allegedly haul more 4x8 plywood and drywall than any other car buyers I've ever met
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Final outcome for me. Got a fully loaded Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid for $46.5k OTD (not including tax rebates). The supply in the DC area is very low, and most dealers were within a 2k range of this price.
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Who needs interior space when you can just tie it on top? Roof racks are handyJack FFR1846 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:53 amI easily brought home half a dozen 16 foot 2x4's with my Crosstrek. I put my kayak rack on the factory crossbars and used a couple ratchet straps to tie the wood down. Worked great.dukeblue219 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:33 pm BHers allegedly haul more 4x8 plywood and drywall than any other car buyers I've ever met
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Love our Pallisade on road trips. Safety features and adaptive cruise control etc make it a gem to drive. But we always have the third row down. We have an odyssey for moving more than 5 people.
I gotta find room for a cybertruck on my drive too!
I gotta find room for a cybertruck on my drive too!
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WarAdmiral wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:26 am+1 for this. Sienna's are great!! Third row seat. Very spacious with the legendary Toyota longevity and reliability. Plus sliding doors with push button closing / opening...makes getting in-and-out a cinch.