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Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:22 pm
by renegade06
I’d like to ditch gmail due to big tech privacy concerns. Can anyone recommend the best secure email service? I am leaning toward ProtonMail, but was curious if anyone has had success with others.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:34 pm
by 8foot7
Fastmail is worth a look.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:34 pm
by samsoes
I've been with Protonmail for a couple of years and have a paid subscription for most of that time. What clinched it for me was that a user can send a secure email even to a non-PM user (encrypted and password protected). I'm very satisfied.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm
by oldcomputerguy
This topic is now in the Personal Consumer Issues forum.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:52 pm
by HawkeyePierce
Gmail does not scan your emails for ads.

This concern is overblown.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:55 pm
by windaar
Fastmail is secure, affordable, easy to use.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:01 pm
by bloom2708
I use Proton Mail for anything financial or important.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:12 pm
by drummerboy
Fastmail is fantastic. I've been using them for 15 years.

It supports many great features. Such as:
  • Secure 2-Factor Access including hardware keys such as Yubikey. Keeping your email account secure is the most important thing you can do to prevent other accounts from being compromised.
  • Fast mobile applications
  • Built-in Calendaring
  • Customizable SPAM filtering
  • Support for Labels or Folders for organizing
  • Custom "App Passwords" so that a 3rd party application only has access to specific features (e.g. SMTP outbound only)
  • Multiple aliases/personalities. Have multiple email addresses that allow you to send/receive.
  • DNS Hosting if you need it for a custom email domain.
Yes, it is a paid service. It's not free. But you get you pay for. In other words, a great product.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:29 pm
by jhfenton
bloom2708 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:01 pm I use Proton Mail for anything financial or important.
Same for me. I use a few personal email addresses with a personal domain name that I control and use only with important, trusted institutions. Those get filtered in my ProtonMail account. (A side benefit is that I never get spam in my ProtonMail account.) I am a paid subscriber. (You have to be to use a custom email domain.)

I use my ancient gmail account for most non-financial things. It’s been “out there” for so long, that every spammer on the planet has it. (Gmail’s spam filter is pretty good. If anything, it flags too many things. I’m constantly fishing things that I’ve signed up for out of Spam.)

I limit my business with Google too, but at this point they get far more customer data from their other services than from gmail.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:32 pm
by Nosirrah
ProtonMail, it’s the best

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:33 pm
by JoMoney
I like ProtonMail. The only better option I'm aware of would be to setup your own server.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:35 pm
by renegade06
jhfenton wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:29 pm
bloom2708 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:01 pm I use Proton Mail for anything financial or important.
Same for me. I use a few personal email addresses with a personal domain name that I control and use only with important, trusted institutions. Those get filtered in my ProtonMail account. (A side benefit is that I never get spam in my ProtonMail account.) I am a paid subscriber. (You have to be to use a custom email domain.)

I use my ancient gmail account for most non-financial things. It’s been “out there” for so long, that every spammer on the planet has it. (Gmail’s spam filter is pretty good. If anything, it flags too many things. I’m constantly fishing things that I’ve signed up for out of Spam.)

I limit my business with Google too, but at this point they get far more customer data from their other services than from gmail.
Good to know! I also have a personal domain name which I don’t use. I will look into trying to to set that up.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:43 pm
by TravelGeek
renegade06 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:22 pm I’d like to ditch gmail due to big tech privacy concerns. Can anyone recommend the best secure email service? I am leaning toward ProtonMail, but was curious if anyone has had success with others.
Check out the list here:

https://www.privacytools.io/providers/email/

Protonmail is #1 and what I will likely soon migrate to from an ISP that hosts my domain.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:54 pm
by lazydavid
Buy a Helm and be your own provider. Nothing more secure than email that only exists on hardware that you personally own and control, that no one has access to unless you explicitly provide it.

That said, Proton Mail does seem to do things the right way, so they’re a great option too.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:00 pm
by zie
HawkeyePierce wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:52 pm Gmail does not scan your emails for ads.

This concern is overblown.
I agree with the technical bits, but disagree with your overall perspective.

Chicago a year ago told Google, give us everything you have on this suspect[0]. And as we know, Google keeps everything possible about you, not just emails.

Granted, they could do this with every provider. However, lots of providers are sane and don't keep literally everything possible. Google doesn't need to scan your emails for ads, they scan your emails to know more about you, and they use what they learn to then sell ads to you. So it's the round-about totally legal way to sell you more directed advertising. What Google knows about us, is in some ways more than our own mothers know about us.

They see every web search you ever do, every email you ever send or receive, plus every phone call you make, every thing you buy, every place you've ever taken your phone, everything you think about buying, every email or chat message you thought about sending, every website you visit(both directly and indirectly), etc, etc. They not only keep and store this information, they hire loads of PHD types to figure out what that all means, so they can better sell you ads.

There is a reason 86% of their revenue comes from selling ads and one of the largest companies ever on the planet, because they basically only have a single ad competitor left, Facebook.

0: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/cri ... story.html

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:08 pm
by spacely
hey.com is my recommendation!

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:25 pm
by surfstar
zie wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:00 pm
HawkeyePierce wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:52 pm Gmail does not scan your emails for ads.

This concern is overblown.
I agree with the technical bits, but disagree with your overall perspective.

Chicago a year ago told Google, give us everything you have on this suspect[0]. And as we know, Google keeps everything possible about you, not just emails.

Granted, they could do this with every provider. However, lots of providers are sane and don't keep literally everything possible. Google doesn't need to scan your emails for ads, they scan your emails to know more about you, and they use what they learn to then sell ads to you. So it's the round-about totally legal way to sell you more directed advertising. What Google knows about us, is in some ways more than our own mothers know about us.

They see every web search you ever do, every email you ever send or receive, plus every phone call you make, every thing you buy, every place you've ever taken your phone, everything you think about buying, every email or chat message you thought about sending, every website you visit(both directly and indirectly), etc, etc. They not only keep and store this information, they hire loads of PHD types to figure out what that all means, so they can better sell you ads.

There is a reason 86% of their revenue comes from selling ads and one of the largest companies ever on the planet, because they basically only have a single ad competitor left, Facebook.

0: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/cri ... story.html
Cool.

I don't think I'm special enough that anyone cares that much about me, though. I don't purchase items through online ads, either, and access tons of free content - youtube, podcasts, etc. I figure them selling ads using my data is how I 'pay'. *shrug*

If I ever did something heinous enough that the authorities need to know my history - again, good. Committing an act that results in a subpoena of my records means I don't deserve privacy.

If any of this disturbs users, they better not use Google, Apple, or any smart device, or Credit Cards, or a late model vehicle, or ... you get my drift.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:21 pm
by CardinalRule
I like using a client like Outlook (Office 2019 in my case) to handle multiple email accounts.

I have a ProtonMail account and was wondering if anyone has tried this ‘bridge’ to access ProtonMail through Thunderbird or Outlook, or whatever?

https://protonmail.com/bridge/outlook2019

I assume it would still be secure.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:38 pm
by tibbitts
This thread seems to be more about privacy than security, so maybe the OP can change the title. I'm not aware of any concerns about the security of "big tech" email vs. other ("small tech?") email.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:44 pm
by CardinalRule
HawkeyePierce wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:52 pm Gmail does not scan your emails for ads.

This concern is overblown.
That is true. Google did scan Gmail for ad purposes in the past, but this stopped several years ago.

tibbits, I agree that this discussion is more about privacy.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:59 pm
by surfstar
Silence Dogood wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:57 pm
surfstar wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:25 pm
Cool.

I don't think I'm special enough that anyone cares that much about me, though. I don't purchase items through online ads, either, and access tons of free content - youtube, podcasts, etc. I figure them selling ads using my data is how I 'pay'. *shrug*

If I ever did something heinous enough that the authorities need to know my history - again, good. Committing an act that results in a subpoena of my records means I don't deserve privacy.

If any of this disturbs users, they better not use Google, Apple, or any smart device, or Credit Cards, or a late model vehicle, or ... you get my drift.
Ah, the "nothing to hide" argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

Given the choice between a more private service and a less private service, why not choose the more private option?
Convenience.
I'm aware that I'm paying for it with my privacy, and I weigh different options when making that decision. Example: I use Mint.com for budget/expense tracking. I don't link my retirement accounts, though, just credit cards. I don't see the benefit to providing them with that, whereas with the CCs, I do.
I've had a Gmail account for quite a while, always had Android phones. Haven't seen an issue worth switching over.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:30 pm
by Tejfyy
Check out https://tutanota.com/ as well as Proton.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:09 pm
by lgs88
I pay for ProtonMail (think it's around $40/year) and I'm satisfied with the service.

Re: Secure email provider

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:40 am
by blueman457
Fastmail and Tutanota should be looked at in addition to protonmail.

Blue man