Home level 2 charger recommendation?

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Home level 2 charger recommendation?

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I just purchased a 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime which should be delivered next month. I am researching home level 2 chargers. This is my first plug in vehicle. Any recommendations on which brand to purchase? Juice Box and Charge Point brands seem to be popular options. Advice?
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bubbadog wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:23 am I just purchased a 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime which should be delivered next month. I am researching home level 2 chargers. This is my first plug in vehicle. Any recommendations on which brand to purchase? Juice Box and Charge Point brands seem to be popular options. Advice?
Chargepoint are good. If you can find it, buy a audi etron L2. Highest rated charger, just no smart components.
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What Toyota won't sell you one?
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In our community, we bought JuiceBox for their ability to share the juice on a 50 amp line, a capacity not needed in individual homes. We started buying them about 3 years ago had some networking problems with them. Their technical assistance was eager but not always quick to resolve problems.

Then they were bought out by ENEL, the former Italian state electricity entity, since then their game has stepped up and things have been great. BTW, I bought mine on eBay, it was a reconditioned unit and purchased it directly from JuiceBox, it was several hundred dollars cheaper.

On another matter, when I tried to claim the Federal Tax credit for the -purchase, H&R Block software had no capacity to enter it. I wound up returning the software and using TurboTax which handled it well.
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Use 110v charge instead.

Previous Prius plug in owner here. Your Rav4 will fully charge in 12 hours on a standard 110v outlet. No need to spend $1000+ for an L2 charger plus installation. In a lot of cases, will be full by the next morning. Not likely you'll make up the difference driving electricity over the lifetime of the vehicle. Yes, you can use it for your future electric vehicles but you can also buy in the future when prices comes down. A basic 16 amp L2 EVSE was near a $1000 when I bought my plug in Prius. What is it now? $300? Also, Teslas mobile EVSE includes an adapter for 220v along with the 110v, in case your future includes a Tesla.

Downside is if you use up EV mode every day and you need to go out soon after arriving home, you may burn some gas. L1 charging is less efficient than L2 charging. It was roughly 15% overhead electricity loss on L1 and <10% loss on L2 for my Prius.

If you insist on installing L2 EVSE, make sure you purchase a mobile one that you can unplug and take with you when you move. Even if you never move, this allows you to easily replace the EVSE unit when it breaks instead of paying installation again for a hardwired unit.
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Just install a 240v outlet (what a dryer uses) and use the cable they give you. That's what I did for my Model 3 a few years ago - cost me like $50

Edit: 240v, not 220
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Although it's not only about your topic, I found this thread useful:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=304810&start=50

Be sure to check whether your utility offers any discounts. Their discount may require that you get a WiFi model so that they can monitor your use, and that it be hard-wired, so you can't "tamper" with it.

This field is evolving quickly, so be careful to search for a device that has the features you want, and that might last the life of your car. I'm still browsing for future need, so I've noticed that units that have only one charging rate can be cheaper. If you can guess the rate you might choose most often, this might save you money. I've also wondered if I should buy a low-rate at Level 2 (like 30 amps/240V) so I could plug into a distant host's dryer outlet? Of course, there are distance to the driveway issues.
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I’ve had a 40 amp juicebox for a few years and can recommend it. If you spent the premium for a RAV4 Prime, I don’t think there’s any reason to avoid getting the benefits of an L2 charger.

Most likely, more and more cars will be using these chargers in the future.
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I lived for a year with level 1 charging before upgrading to level 2 with a ChargePoint Flex. My overall fuel economy went up with the level 2 charging. I do like how it get a monthly summary of how many kw’s I used.
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I had a NIssan Leaf and a level 2 charger - was totally not necessary , level 1 was way good enough and charged it up full over night anyway - I would safe the money and try Level 1 first
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How hard was it to find a RAV4 Prime? Did you get a decent deal?
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cadreamer2015 wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:29 am How hard was it to find a RAV4 Prime? Did you get a decent deal?
I thought it was going to be a lot harder than it turned out. It took me two days to find a dealer willing to sell me one at MSRP with no additional fees outside of temp. tags and a few other fees which totaled about $100. Delivery has been promised in about one month. Apparently it is on a boat right now. They are not sold in my state (Ohio) and I am purchasing one out of New York State. With the $7,500 federal tax rebate, it prices out about the same as a comparable "regular" RAV4 Hybrid AWD.

We had decided we were probably going to purchase a "regular" RAV4 Hybrid AWD and test drove one last Saturday. I casually inquired about the Prime models and was told that it would be about 2 years before they would be for sale locally. I spent some time online searching, doing some research, and basically got lucky.

The vehicle will be for my recent college graduate son.

Nice grad present...Right?
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bubbadog wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:01 pm
cadreamer2015 wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:29 am How hard was it to find a RAV4 Prime? Did you get a decent deal?
Nice grad present...Right?
My wife graduates next month, you want another kid? She'll probably get a congrats text from her parents.
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mbasherp wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:38 am I’ve had a 40 amp juicebox for a few years and can recommend it. If you spent the premium for a RAV4 Prime, I don’t think there’s any reason to avoid getting the benefits of an L2 charger.

Most likely, more and more cars will be using these chargers in the future.
I also have a 40A Juicebox. Worked great for almost three years and then one day decided not to charge my Leaf anymore. That said, the company express shipped me a replacement unit since it was still under warranty. Customer service was fantastic but I'm not pleased that it broke in the first place.
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We have 2 BMW PHEV and 2 EVSE (the "charger"). A JuiceBox 40A and a no-name brand. The JuiceBox has been rock solid. The no-name brand broke and was replaced under warranty. Here are my tips:

- Install a 240V 50A NEMA 14-50 outlet in the garage and buy a plug in EVSE. If the EVSE breaks or you move, don't need to call the electrician.

- Future proof by buying a 40A EVSE in case you buy a second EV. 50A circuit can handle max 40A continuous load.

- Get the longest cord you can, 25 feet.

- If you might take the car on a trip and charge on the road, get a compact wet weather rated EVSE. ClipperCreek.com makes good ones.

- At first we were really excited about the JuiceBox wifi and smart features. After a while we got bored and stop using them. If I had to buy another EVSE I would opt for something rugged and compact with no bells or whistles.
Disclaimer: nothing written here should be taken as legal advice, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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stoptothink wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 pm
bubbadog wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:01 pm
cadreamer2015 wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:29 am How hard was it to find a RAV4 Prime? Did you get a decent deal?
Nice grad present...Right?
My wife graduates next month, you want another kid? She'll probably get a congrats text from her parents.
Not looking for any additional dependants, but thanks anyway!
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Clipper Creek chargers get really good reviews.
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Do you have a 240v outlet already?
For the Prius Prime, the OEM charger can actually handle 240
https://priuschat.com/threads/using-the ... 20.204577/

Perhaps the Rav4 Prime is the same and someone has come up with a solution already. (I would assume it is highly likely that the OEM charger can handle 220/240 for all world markets like the Prius Prime)

maybe?... https://www.reddit.com/r/rav4prime/comm ... g_cord_on/
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