Re: My 2017 CRV is a victim of the dreaded oil gas-dilution issue
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:49 pm
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I just received my latest report from Blackstone concerning my Honda 1.5L DI Turbo engine. This time I waited until the Maintenance Minder showed only 10% remaining oil life. My thinking was that this sample would give me a data point for the worst case scenario. That was 7,001 miles on the oil (Honda synthetic 0W/20). My previous specimens had shown 4.5% fuel at 1,989 miles and 4.8% at 4,952 miles. Surprisingly, the fuel was only 0.8% in this sample despite a lot more miles driven. According to the report, <2% is normal, so I am well within the normal range. Wear metals were closer to the upper end of the normal range, but only silicon (+1 point), sodium (+1 point), and magnesium (+176 points) actually exceeded the upper limit. The technician wrote, "wear metals increased, but that's no big deal. This oil was run longer, so more metal is expected just from normal accumulation."CULater wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:53 am Just received this information from Polaris Labs, oil analysis laboratory, discussing oil contamination.FUEL DILUTION
It is normal to see low levels of fuel in engine oils as a byproduct of the combustion/ignition process. When fuel levels start to exceed 1%, the lubricant's viscosity will begin to decrease. As the percent of fuel in oil increases the lubricant's ability maintain a full fluid film and protect against boundary wear is decreased. Fuel in oil will also dilute additives which could lead to other wear and performance issues. Some engines are more prone to high fuel dilution, but this does not mean that the fuel will not harm the engine.
Thank you for a detailed report on the 1.5 engine.JPH wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:31 pmI just received my latest report from Blackstone concerning my Honda 1.5L DI Turbo engine. This time I waited until the Maintenance Minder showed only 10% remaining oil life. My thinking was that this sample would give me a data point for the worst case scenario. That was 7,001 miles on the oil (Honda synthetic 0W/20). My previous specimens had shown 4.5% fuel at 1,989 miles and 4.8% at 4,952 miles. Surprisingly, the fuel was only 0.8% in this sample despite a lot more miles driven. According to the report, <2% is normal, so I am well within the normal range. Wear metals were closer to the upper end of the normal range, but only silicon (+1 point), sodium (+1 point), and magnesium (+176 points) actually exceeded the upper limit. The technician wrote, "wear metals increased, but that's no big deal. This oil was run longer, so more metal is expected just from normal accumulation."CULater wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:53 am Just received this information from Polaris Labs, oil analysis laboratory, discussing oil contamination.FUEL DILUTION
It is normal to see low levels of fuel in engine oils as a byproduct of the combustion/ignition process. When fuel levels start to exceed 1%, the lubricant's viscosity will begin to decrease. As the percent of fuel in oil increases the lubricant's ability maintain a full fluid film and protect against boundary wear is decreased. Fuel in oil will also dilute additives which could lead to other wear and performance issues. Some engines are more prone to high fuel dilution, but this does not mean that the fuel will not harm the engine.
I cannot explain why fuel dilution is absent after driving more miles. I'm happy for those good results, but am now a bit confused about scheduling future oil changes.
Were most of the miles put on during the hot summer months?JPH wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:31 pmI just received my latest report from Blackstone concerning my Honda 1.5L DI Turbo engine. This time I waited until the Maintenance Minder showed only 10% remaining oil life. My thinking was that this sample would give me a data point for the worst case scenario. That was 7,001 miles on the oil (Honda synthetic 0W/20). My previous specimens had shown 4.5% fuel at 1,989 miles and 4.8% at 4,952 miles. Surprisingly, the fuel was only 0.8% in this sample despite a lot more miles driven. According to the report, <2% is normal, so I am well within the normal range. Wear metals were closer to the upper end of the normal range, but only silicon (+1 point), sodium (+1 point), and magnesium (+176 points) actually exceeded the upper limit. The technician wrote, "wear metals increased, but that's no big deal. This oil was run longer, so more metal is expected just from normal accumulation."CULater wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:53 am Just received this information from Polaris Labs, oil analysis laboratory, discussing oil contamination.FUEL DILUTION
It is normal to see low levels of fuel in engine oils as a byproduct of the combustion/ignition process. When fuel levels start to exceed 1%, the lubricant's viscosity will begin to decrease. As the percent of fuel in oil increases the lubricant's ability maintain a full fluid film and protect against boundary wear is decreased. Fuel in oil will also dilute additives which could lead to other wear and performance issues. Some engines are more prone to high fuel dilution, but this does not mean that the fuel will not harm the engine.
I cannot explain why fuel dilution is absent after driving more miles. I'm happy for those good results, but am now a bit confused about scheduling future oil changes.
smitcat wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm Thank you for a detailed report on the 1.5 engine.
Maybe you can answer some other related questions:
- what was the mileage on the engine at the start of that 7,001 miles? 14799
- did you have the Honda software 'fix' installed at any time before or during this oil life test? No
- has any other work been performed on the cars engine or cooling systems? No
- Did you get the TBN number? Do you know what the Honda 0W/20 TBN is when new? Did not
- Who extracted the sample and how? Mechanic during drain for oil change
- had anyone removed any oil from the engine during your 7,001 miles driven? No
This sounds really good at 15,000 miles.JPH wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:28 amsmitcat wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm Thank you for a detailed report on the 1.5 engine.
Maybe you can answer some other related questions:
- what was the mileage on the engine at the start of that 7,001 miles? 14799
- did you have the Honda software 'fix' installed at any time before or during this oil life test? No
- has any other work been performed on the cars engine or cooling systems? No
- Did you get the TBN number? Do you know what the Honda 0W/20 TBN is when new? Did not
- Who extracted the sample and how? Mechanic during drain for oil change
- had anyone removed any oil from the engine during your 7,001 miles driven? No
https://carbuzz.com/news/angry-honda-cr ... tic-actionIn 2018, the Honda CR-V was the third best selling vehicle in America that wasn't a truck, and only the Civic sells better for Honda globally. However, the American arm of Honda has recently been served with two separate lawsuits in relation to the popular crossover. One is regarding a possible structural defect, and the second is over malfunctioning infotainment screens. According to the lawsuits, the complaints are from owners of 2017-2019 Honda CR-Vs.
Yes. I'm in CT. I'm taking the default choice: extended warranty plus software fix, and giving up opportunity to sue. No noticeable problems with my CRV so far.
Gives you 4 options:
How about reimbursement for pain and suffering? And being kicked to the curb by Honda?prd1982 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:47 amGives you 4 options:
1. Submit claim for reimbursement for Towing Expenses, Oil Change Expenses and Past Diagnostic Costs. Also get warranty extension and product update.
2. Get out of lawsuit, but no warranty extension or reimbursement. Can sue yourself.
3. Comment in writing about the settlement. Remain member of Settlement Class
4. Do nothing. Get warranty extension and product update. Cannot sue separately.
CorduroyGivenToFly wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 5:44 pm I have a 2018 CRV and believe my car suffers from this because I smell gas in the cabin when the a/c is pulling in air from outside. As a result of this, i always use recirculate, which works well.
Check engine light (and all the others) came on just past 40,000 miles. Took it in to the dealer and they put in a software update and the lights went off. The next day, they lights came on again and they diagnosed it with a bad fuel injector kit based on the cylinder misfire code. Hondacare (which I bought) paid for it. I asked them if they thought this was related to the oil dilution and they said no because I mostly drove it on non-short trips in California. Haven’t had any other issues with the car before or since then, although haven’t driven it much during the shut down and this isssue happened just before that. None of the oil shops I’ve taken the car to for oil changes said my oil looked or smelled like anything unusual, and I asked a couple of them about it.
Good move. I started the thread to give prospective buyers a "heads up" about the CRV and hopefully save at least one person the headaches I've experienced with the vehicle. Mission Accomplished!BeachPerson wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 6:27 pmCorduroyGivenToFly wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 5:44 pm I have a 2018 CRV and believe my car suffers from this because I smell gas in the cabin when the a/c is pulling in air from outside. As a result of this, i always use recirculate, which works well.
Check engine light (and all the others) came on just past 40,000 miles. Took it in to the dealer and they put in a software update and the lights went off. The next day, they lights came on again and they diagnosed it with a bad fuel injector kit based on the cylinder misfire code. Hondacare (which I bought) paid for it. I asked them if they thought this was related to the oil dilution and they said no because I mostly drove it on non-short trips in California. Haven’t had any other issues with the car before or since then, although haven’t driven it much during the shut down and this isssue happened just before that. None of the oil shops I’ve taken the car to for oil changes said my oil looked or smelled like anything unusual, and I asked a couple of them about it.
I was all so lucky. I was ready to trade my 2013 Honda Accord for the Honda CRV. I am glad that I found this threat two years ago. I bought a RAV4 and it is super!!!!
Same question - looking at a 2020 CR-V myself. This has been fixed in the new ones right? I'm assuming so since they're selling hundreds of thousands of them?SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:39 am I assume that this issue is with all Honda 1.5T engines and it has not yet been resolved?
I was looking at a new 2019 Honda Accord yesterday and I remembered this thread.
Some of us believe Honda when they say it is fixed; others do not. I can only say that I haven't heard of a large number of people saying there is still a problem since the fix (which was before the 2020s came out).
I don't think everybody believes it's been fixed, but I'm not an expert so I can't say. I think if I were Honda and I'd fixed it, that engine wouldn't be a 1.5 any more, it would be some other displacement, since everybody would associate 1.5 with a horrible engine design. As I've pointed out in other threads Hyundai/Kia still sells all their cars (that I know of) with bucket valve lifters, so Honda doesn't have a monopoly on horrible engine designs. It seems like for all the amazing advancements that have happened in automobiles, and how much more theoretically reliable they've become overall, some really basic durability has been lost.azanon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:41 amSame question - looking at a 2020 CR-V myself. This has been fixed in the new ones right? I'm assuming so since they're selling hundreds of thousands of them?SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:39 am I assume that this issue is with all Honda 1.5T engines and it has not yet been resolved?
I was looking at a new 2019 Honda Accord yesterday and I remembered this thread.
When you start adding in a turbo and a cvt the chances of reliability decrease by a fair amount.tibbitts wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:02 amI don't think everybody believes it's been fixed, but I'm not an expert so I can't say. I think if I were Honda and I'd fixed it, that engine wouldn't be a 1.5 any more, it would be some other displacement, since everybody would associate 1.5 with a horrible engine design. As I've pointed out in other threads Hyundai/Kia still sells all their cars (that I know of) with bucket valve lifters, so Honda doesn't have a monopoly on horrible engine designs. It seems like for all the amazing advancements that have happened in automobiles, and how much more theoretically reliable they've become overall, some really basic durability has been lost.azanon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:41 amSame question - looking at a 2020 CR-V myself. This has been fixed in the new ones right? I'm assuming so since they're selling hundreds of thousands of them?SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:39 am I assume that this issue is with all Honda 1.5T engines and it has not yet been resolved?
I was looking at a new 2019 Honda Accord yesterday and I remembered this thread.
Surprisingly there is still not one example of a failed oil test or any engine failures ...or even a loss of power or performance complaint.SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:35 pmWhen you start adding in a turbo and a cvt the chances of reliability decrease by a fair amount.tibbitts wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:02 amI don't think everybody believes it's been fixed, but I'm not an expert so I can't say. I think if I were Honda and I'd fixed it, that engine wouldn't be a 1.5 any more, it would be some other displacement, since everybody would associate 1.5 with a horrible engine design. As I've pointed out in other threads Hyundai/Kia still sells all their cars (that I know of) with bucket valve lifters, so Honda doesn't have a monopoly on horrible engine designs. It seems like for all the amazing advancements that have happened in automobiles, and how much more theoretically reliable they've become overall, some really basic durability has been lost.azanon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:41 amSame question - looking at a 2020 CR-V myself. This has been fixed in the new ones right? I'm assuming so since they're selling hundreds of thousands of them?SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:39 am I assume that this issue is with all Honda 1.5T engines and it has not yet been resolved?
I was looking at a new 2019 Honda Accord yesterday and I remembered this thread.
If Scotty is correct then are not all of our high pressure diesels also doomed?BeachPerson wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 pm Nice video by Scotty on the Honda oil problem.
Scotty on Honda's problem
Has anyone purchased a 2020 Honda CRV? If so, is the problem fixed?
Scotty: "Always put the right amount of oil in - 4.7 quarts." lol that is the wrong amount of oilBeachPerson wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 pm Nice video by Scotty on the Honda oil problem.
Scotty on Honda's problem
Has anyone purchased a 2020 Honda CRV? If so, is the problem fixed?
BeachPerson wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 pm Nice video by Scotty on the Honda oil problem.
Has anyone purchased a 2020 Honda CRV? If so, is the problem fixed?
Are CVTs inherently unreliable? The Toyota Prius has a pretty good track record.SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:35 pmWhen you start adding in a turbo and a cvt the chances of reliability decrease by a fair amount.tibbitts wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:02 amI don't think everybody believes it's been fixed, but I'm not an expert so I can't say. I think if I were Honda and I'd fixed it, that engine wouldn't be a 1.5 any more, it would be some other displacement, since everybody would associate 1.5 with a horrible engine design. As I've pointed out in other threads Hyundai/Kia still sells all their cars (that I know of) with bucket valve lifters, so Honda doesn't have a monopoly on horrible engine designs. It seems like for all the amazing advancements that have happened in automobiles, and how much more theoretically reliable they've become overall, some really basic durability has been lost.azanon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:41 amSame question - looking at a 2020 CR-V myself. This has been fixed in the new ones right? I'm assuming so since they're selling hundreds of thousands of them?SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:39 am I assume that this issue is with all Honda 1.5T engines and it has not yet been resolved?
I was looking at a new 2019 Honda Accord yesterday and I remembered this thread.
vasaver wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:36 pmAre CVTs inherently unreliable? The Toyota Prius has a pretty good track record.SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:35 pmWhen you start adding in a turbo and a cvt the chances of reliability decrease by a fair amount.tibbitts wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:02 amI don't think everybody believes it's been fixed, but I'm not an expert so I can't say. I think if I were Honda and I'd fixed it, that engine wouldn't be a 1.5 any more, it would be some other displacement, since everybody would associate 1.5 with a horrible engine design. As I've pointed out in other threads Hyundai/Kia still sells all their cars (that I know of) with bucket valve lifters, so Honda doesn't have a monopoly on horrible engine designs. It seems like for all the amazing advancements that have happened in automobiles, and how much more theoretically reliable they've become overall, some really basic durability has been lost.azanon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:41 amSame question - looking at a 2020 CR-V myself. This has been fixed in the new ones right? I'm assuming so since they're selling hundreds of thousands of them?SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:39 am I assume that this issue is with all Honda 1.5T engines and it has not yet been resolved?
I was looking at a new 2019 Honda Accord yesterday and I remembered this thread.
Some recent items to watch out for with the Subaru Crosstrek's....AllMostThere wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:22 am I have read this thread with interest for awhile now as I knew DW & I would be in market for new vehicle. I must say that I am shocked and horrified how HONDA has handled this issue. Nothing like kicking current customers to the curb and allowing social media to alienate future customers. Needless to say, HONDA was not even considered by us. We went with a Subaru CrossTrek for our purchase. Cannot be more happy with our purchase.
FWIW here's both the 1-5 overall reliability score and above/below average score for 'major engine' from Consumer Reports for recent model CR-V's:smitcat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:00 amSurprisingly there is still not one example of a failed oil test or any engine failures ...or even a loss of power or performance complaint.SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:35 pmWhen you start adding in a turbo and a cvt the chances of reliability decrease by a fair amount.tibbitts wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:02 amI don't think everybody believes it's been fixed, but I'm not an expert so I can't say. I think if I were Honda and I'd fixed it, that engine wouldn't be a 1.5 any more, it would be some other displacement, since everybody would associate 1.5 with a horrible engine design. As I've pointed out in other threads Hyundai/Kia still sells all their cars (that I know of) with bucket valve lifters, so Honda doesn't have a monopoly on horrible engine designs. It seems like for all the amazing advancements that have happened in automobiles, and how much more theoretically reliable they've become overall, some really basic durability has been lost.azanon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:41 amSame question - looking at a 2020 CR-V myself. This has been fixed in the new ones right? I'm assuming so since they're selling hundreds of thousands of them?SmallCityDave wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:39 am I assume that this issue is with all Honda 1.5T engines and it has not yet been resolved?
I was looking at a new 2019 Honda Accord yesterday and I remembered this thread.
So far it seems It would be good if all cars/trucks had a reliability record just like these reports.
But then you also need to read all the postings on the web about how many problems one is going to have with the Subaru -- CVT, oil consumption, cracking windshields, etc., etc. You also have to do the same thing for anything else you consider. Powers forbid it be an expensive German import or a Volvo. Then it could be a Jeep or a Ford.
I see your point. User forums self select toward people reporting problems. Especially in case of boring cars like CR-V or Forester; what else would you talk about besides problems? I post on BMW M2 forum sometimes, but that's an actually interesting car besides any problems (which there don't seem to be many of actually). Still, the CR-V thing was a not that minor so I think if I'd known of it it might have pushed the toss up decision to the Forester (though I'd read of the oil consumption issue there).dbr wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:32 amBut then you also need to read all the postings on the web about how many problems one is going to have with the Subaru -- CVT, oil consumption, cracking windshields, etc., etc. You also have to do the same thing for anything else you consider. Powers forbid it be an expensive German import or a Volvo. Then it could be a Jeep or a Ford.
I have a Subaru Outback. I have had none of the problems everyone writes about, but I had two years of wrangling with bizarre check engine light problems that were eventually resolved by the dealer finally realizing the problem existed from day one in a slightly defective battery. In the meantime Subaru spent thousands of warranty repair dollars replacing computers and giving me free loaners trying to fix the problem. I give the dealer major credit for taking the problem seriously and excoriate Subaru for not having diagnostic procedures in hand to figure out the problem. It doesn't help when all they know how to do is get a fault code and replace whatever device is generating the code even if that device is actually not defective at all.JackoC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:30 amI see your point. User forums self select toward people reporting problems. Especially in case of boring cars like CR-V or Forester; what else would you talk about besides problems? I post on BMW M2 forum sometimes, but that's an actually interesting car besides any problems (which there don't seem to be many of actually). Still, the CR-V thing was a not that minor so I think if I'd known of it it might have pushed the toss up decision to the Forester (though I'd read of the oil consumption issue there).dbr wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:32 amBut then you also need to read all the postings on the web about how many problems one is going to have with the Subaru -- CVT, oil consumption, cracking windshields, etc., etc. You also have to do the same thing for anything else you consider. Powers forbid it be an expensive German import or a Volvo. Then it could be a Jeep or a Ford.
And per CR stats as I gave for CR-V, Forester is similarly statistically very reliable. Notably better than FCA or Ford products generally. This forum tends to exaggerate the reliability issues of German luxury makes IMO, some models score quite well per CR, others don't. Cost of repair is a more objectively valid issue for those makes. But if the M2 breaks (though my 6 yr old 328, now my son's, has had no problems), I'll just get it fixed. I don't worry about it. My daughter having car problems is more of a concern to me, but the CR-V has had no actual breakdowns or any other issue (at ~36k miles now) besides faint gasoline smell on the dipstick, at least once.
"My daughter having car problems is more of a concern to me, but the CR-V has had no actual breakdowns or any other issue (at ~36k miles now) besides faint gasoline smell on the dipstick, at least once."JackoC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:30 amI see your point. User forums self select toward people reporting problems. Especially in case of boring cars like CR-V or Forester; what else would you talk about besides problems? I post on BMW M2 forum sometimes, but that's an actually interesting car besides any problems (which there don't seem to be many of actually). Still, the CR-V thing was a not that minor so I think if I'd known of it it might have pushed the toss up decision to the Forester (though I'd read of the oil consumption issue there).dbr wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:32 amBut then you also need to read all the postings on the web about how many problems one is going to have with the Subaru -- CVT, oil consumption, cracking windshields, etc., etc. You also have to do the same thing for anything else you consider. Powers forbid it be an expensive German import or a Volvo. Then it could be a Jeep or a Ford.
And per CR stats as I gave for CR-V, Forester is similarly statistically very reliable. Notably better than FCA or Ford products generally. This forum tends to exaggerate the reliability issues of German luxury makes IMO, some models score quite well per CR, others don't. Cost of repair is a more objectively valid issue for those makes. But if the M2 breaks (though my 6 yr old 328, now my son's, has had no problems), I'll just get it fixed. I don't worry about it. My daughter having car problems is more of a concern to me, but the CR-V has had no actual breakdowns or any other issue (at ~36k miles now) besides faint gasoline smell on the dipstick, at least once.
The CVT in the Prius, and all Toyota hybrids is what they call an ECVT, and is a very different technology from conventional CVT's which Toyota uses in some of their non-hybrid vehicles. The ECVT uses motor generators in conjunction with a planetary gearset. There are no chains/belts or spindles/cones. Toyota's ECVT is a very reliable piece of tech.
ondarvr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:27 am Some 2017 and 18s had oil dilution problems, after 2019 it doesn't seem to be much of problem.
Aside from DI Turbo engines frequently experiencing "some" oil dilution, there were fuel injector problems on many 17 and 18 CRVs. This was masked by looking at other more typical causes of OD.
The injectors were covered under the warranty, and in some states this warranty is extended to 7 or more years.
It can be difficult to get a Honda dealer to investigate it for you, many aren't aware of the TSBs on CRVs. Which is odd, since they are one of the best selling vehicles.
You need to get the information yourself and present it to the dealer far too often.
I have a CRV, and the Honda forums were on fire with this topic until the 19s were introduced. Honda appears to have solved the problem internally, and the affected earlier vehicles seem to have been taken care of for the most part.
And like mentioned, after years of screaming on the forums nobody has reported premature failures in these motors. The civics had these engines two years earlier in 2016, and didn't seem to have the OD problem, and the 1.5 is holding up well high performance mods in these civics. I had 2017 civic too, it was a great car.
If the CRV has the turbo engine you have the potential to have the problem. I have a 2017 with the turbo engine with 45k and no problem so far.Soccerplayergoals wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:44 pm Hi, does anyone know how to identify if the 2018 crv EX is at risk for this problem. For example, through certain vin numbers, parts numbers, or other unique identifiers? I would lime to buy one but am concerned that 8’ll be buying one that has this oil / gas problem. Thank you!
None that I have heard of. It is likely part of the vehicle design. There are theories on CR-V message boards that some 2017s had a bad run of injectors which may have exacerbated the issue.Soccerplayergoals wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:44 pm Thank you for your feedback. Good to hear! Has anyone come across something unique on these models that has led to the problem (ex: part manufactured in a certain location, or a certain batch, etc)?