Running Linux vs Other OS?
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I built a PC that ran a dual boot of Windows 10 and Linux Mint.
It was great for about 6 months until I had a hardware issue.
The Windows side was still able to start-up so that I could investigate the problem.
Linux wouldn't start. I then posted to the Linux Mint community forum and really had trouble communicating the problem in a way that could fix the problem.
I lost patience and retreated back to just Windows 10.
I will admit, I haven't had the motivation to really dig deep and learn enough about Linux to become an advanced user.
I don't think its as user friendly and getting help was a challenge.
Maybe I'll try again at some point.
It was great for about 6 months until I had a hardware issue.
The Windows side was still able to start-up so that I could investigate the problem.
Linux wouldn't start. I then posted to the Linux Mint community forum and really had trouble communicating the problem in a way that could fix the problem.
I lost patience and retreated back to just Windows 10.
I will admit, I haven't had the motivation to really dig deep and learn enough about Linux to become an advanced user.
I don't think its as user friendly and getting help was a challenge.
Maybe I'll try again at some point.
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I've been using windows at home and at work as an OS since 1996.Alexa9 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:30 am Windows: Pros: Most Software/Games, Cons: Virus/Malware, Clunky UI
Mac: Pros: Smooth OS, Better UI Cons: Limited Software
Linux: Pros: Most Secure Cons: Least Popular
Anyone have any other input, especially with running Linux? Looking to build a PC or NUC. The Mac Mini is almost 4 years old so debating between Windows 10 and Linux. Might be a fun project to try Linux (it's free!) and I can always switch to Windows.
Why?
Easy to use, runs everything I need. I have AV/malware software but have not had a virus or malware found on my machine in almost a decade. UI is far from clunky in my opinion.
I have no reason for linux outside of enterprise level servers at work.
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Echo this sentiment. Windows 10 has been good OS. Nothing compelling enough to switch.wfrobinette wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:43 amI've been using windows at home and at work as an OS since 1996.Alexa9 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:30 am Windows: Pros: Most Software/Games, Cons: Virus/Malware, Clunky UI
Mac: Pros: Smooth OS, Better UI Cons: Limited Software
Linux: Pros: Most Secure Cons: Least Popular
Anyone have any other input, especially with running Linux? Looking to build a PC or NUC. The Mac Mini is almost 4 years old so debating between Windows 10 and Linux. Might be a fun project to try Linux (it's free!) and I can always switch to Windows.
Why?
Easy to use, runs everything I need. I have AV/malware software but have not had a virus or malware found on my machine in almost a decade. UI is far from clunky in my opinion.
I have no reason for linux outside of enterprise level servers at work.
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+1wfrobinette wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:43 am I've been using windows at home and at work as an OS since 1996.
Why?
Easy to use, runs everything I need. I have AV/malware software but have not had a virus or malware found on my machine in almost a decade. UI is far from clunky in my opinion.
I have no reason for linux outside of enterprise level servers at work.
Linux on the desktop has become pretty good. The trouble for Linux on the desktop is that Windows and macOS have been pretty good for almost a decade now, and everything runs on them.
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"Anyone have any other input, especially with running Linux? Looking to build a PC or NUC. The Mac Mini is almost 4 years old so debating between Windows 10 and Linux."
I've also been considering between Buying a Linux computer vs. Building my own Linux computer.
My background:
- I currently run Linux Mint on my MacBook Pro using VirtualBox
- Long, longtime MacOS user, but working experience w/ WinOS, as well as some Unix and Linux experience
- But I ain't no programmer or computer gearhead --- just an ordinary, informed user
Here are some hardware compatibility sites that may be of use:
Ubuntu hardware compatibility: https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop
Debian hardware Wiki (not as up-to-date): https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware
But consider this recent & growing trend toward consumer-oriented Linux computers:
Lenovo : https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09 ... ation-pcs/
Short articles on building linux computers (not detailed):
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ho ... -1000-usd/
https://kitchentablecomputers.com/linux3.php
- hope this is of use -- and happy trails
I've also been considering between Buying a Linux computer vs. Building my own Linux computer.
My background:
- I currently run Linux Mint on my MacBook Pro using VirtualBox
- Long, longtime MacOS user, but working experience w/ WinOS, as well as some Unix and Linux experience
- But I ain't no programmer or computer gearhead --- just an ordinary, informed user
Here are some hardware compatibility sites that may be of use:
Ubuntu hardware compatibility: https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop
Debian hardware Wiki (not as up-to-date): https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware
But consider this recent & growing trend toward consumer-oriented Linux computers:
Lenovo : https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09 ... ation-pcs/
Short articles on building linux computers (not detailed):
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ho ... -1000-usd/
https://kitchentablecomputers.com/linux3.php
- hope this is of use -- and happy trails
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Another Linux convert here. I began 3 or 4 years ago by running Mint Cinnamon in dual boot with Windows10 mostly in response to Microsoft and other proprietary software vendors switch to "software as a service" models, I also didn't like the feeling that the computing experience that I paid for was being constantly monetized by the OS I was using. When I needed a new laptop I realized that other than taxes I never used Windows. So I got rid of windows altogether on the new laptop about a year ago and have not missed it at all. I am not really that functional in the command line in Linux, but I am learning! However, for the Mint distribution its pretty easy to setup and run the computer without the command line at all. All of the Dell laptops I have had seem to have hardware that plays well with Mint.
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W10 main system with insider version on separate SSD. Two other SSD's that I swap in/out contain Chrome OS and the other one is Mint v 20 (Linux). Swap those SSD's thru front panel of the same computer.
Thoughts, the chrome OS basically is just a browser system, while Mint has a lots of potential, but still trying to learn it and get past the basic items.
You can always buy one of those less expensive SSD (i.e.250GB for < $50) install free Mint and give it a try then swap back to present system until you learn it. I would keep the systems separate in the event something goes sideways and you will immediately have something to fall back on.
Thoughts, the chrome OS basically is just a browser system, while Mint has a lots of potential, but still trying to learn it and get past the basic items.
You can always buy one of those less expensive SSD (i.e.250GB for < $50) install free Mint and give it a try then swap back to present system until you learn it. I would keep the systems separate in the event something goes sideways and you will immediately have something to fall back on.
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I used to run openBSD as my desktop. Now, I run it in vmware. WIndows 10 is a reasonably good operating system now.
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I have been hearing great things about Pop OS. My co-workers who use it say that it *just works seemlessly*, which is really my main requirement for an operating system.
https://pop.system76.com/
https://pop.system76.com/
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I've been running linux as my primary since 1998, actually used it even earlier. I use windows too, have used macs and others.
I like linux better because it lets you do what you want with your computer. Sometimes with difficulty, but it is your tool. None of this "I'm installing microsoft office web apps without your permission and they'll now sit in your start menu" or "license expired". You can customize the desktop infinitely, run scripts, etc etc. If you don't like someone telling you what you can and can't do with something you bought, you might like linux. [I dislike HOAs too!]
Plus Linux Mint is OK for non-power users. My FIL and father both run it, now that Windows 7 hit EOL. It's been reliable and usable.
Other OSes are OK too. Mac even gives you the same kind of power if you want. Windows is adequate. Linux is free!
Fun read: "In the beginning there was the command line"
I like linux better because it lets you do what you want with your computer. Sometimes with difficulty, but it is your tool. None of this "I'm installing microsoft office web apps without your permission and they'll now sit in your start menu" or "license expired". You can customize the desktop infinitely, run scripts, etc etc. If you don't like someone telling you what you can and can't do with something you bought, you might like linux. [I dislike HOAs too!]
Plus Linux Mint is OK for non-power users. My FIL and father both run it, now that Windows 7 hit EOL. It's been reliable and usable.
Other OSes are OK too. Mac even gives you the same kind of power if you want. Windows is adequate. Linux is free!
Fun read: "In the beginning there was the command line"
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Seconded. Pop!_OS is more than just the new Ubuntu; it may very well be the best plug-and-play operating system in the history of computing. Hell, if you'd rather not suffer the effort of installing it, you can just buy a laptop with Pop!_OS preloaded straight from the manufacturer: https://system76.com/shariq1989 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:59 pm I have been heard great things about Pop OS. My co-workers who use it say that it *just works seemlessly*, which is really my main requirement for an operating system.
https://pop.system76.com/
I tried one of those and man, that thing was smooth as butter. I'm convinced that System76 will be the next Apple if they keep it up.
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Security out-of-the-box may have improved with Linux distros enough to undermine my point at least some, but generally, I think the default installation of Windows 10 is likely to be more secure than a default Linux installation. Linux generally can be made to be more secure than Windows if the administrator has the technical background to harden the system after installation.
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Linux is so dependent on the distro. It's not a complete os like you'll find with the bsd os's available. The distro puts it together into a usable os, and then you have to figure out configuring it. This is much easier with a BSD out of the box, which is why I use them for basic daemons on my network such as dhcpd and a dns cache forwarder (unbound). Linux does have better network performance out of the box than BSD now.Northern Flicker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:43 pmSecurity out-of-the-box may have improved with Linux distros enough to undermine my point at least some, but generally, I think the default installation of Windows 10 is likely to be more secure than a default Linux installation. Linux generally can be made to be more secure than Windows if the administrator has the technical background to harden the system after installation.
Pick the OS that best matches the tasks that you'll be doing. My dumb AP is running Linux. My gateway is running oBSD. My local machines are windows or mac os. I pick based on whatever does that task the best.
They all have security issues.
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If you have simple tastes, debian stable is insanely easy to install now. It even has a graphical installation. I would stay away from BSD unless you are comfortable tinkering. I have been using BSD and debian for personal servers for a long time and both are very stable. Debian has the advantage of better hardware support but it depends on what hardware you use.
I recently (about 8 years ago) started using debian stable as my primary OS at home just due to simplicity. Nearly 100% of my computer time is in a browser or using citrix so at this point the simplest and cheapest OS that can do that is the one for me.
I recently (about 8 years ago) started using debian stable as my primary OS at home just due to simplicity. Nearly 100% of my computer time is in a browser or using citrix so at this point the simplest and cheapest OS that can do that is the one for me.
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I have Zorin OS loaded on a 13 year old Lenovo laptop. It is as responsive as my current Windows 10 desktop. Zorin uses Ubuntu but makes their interface more user friendly particularly for Window users.
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I have a Linux Mint and Windows 10 dual partition system. The Win10 has been almost exclusively used for work from home this year. Until then I went months without even booting into it. I do mainly web stuff and streaming (I have a big monitor in my bedroom) on Linux.
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Programming on Windows was a pain in the ...
Also often lost some data/configurations after Windows upgrades.
So switched to Ubuntu in 2004/2005.
Same problem with Ubuntu. Losing data/configurations after upgrades.
So switched to Arch with its rolling release model in 2013.
Problems with integration of some important applications/drivers (flash, printer, camera etc)
Switched to Manjaro Linux in 2017.
Manjaro Linux is based on Arch. It is comparable with Linux Mint, but for Arch instead of Debian/Ubuntu.
Arch has a great community and forum/wiki that I continue to use with Manjaro.
Pretty satisfied and at home with that OS. Everything I need integrates well, Gnome desktop is handy.
I run it on btrfs with 4 ssd in raid 10. Pretty fast since I set it up in 2017.
No Windows since about 2007/2008.
But I'm not a gamer, more of a numbers and letters person.
Also often lost some data/configurations after Windows upgrades.
So switched to Ubuntu in 2004/2005.
Same problem with Ubuntu. Losing data/configurations after upgrades.
So switched to Arch with its rolling release model in 2013.
Problems with integration of some important applications/drivers (flash, printer, camera etc)
Switched to Manjaro Linux in 2017.
Manjaro Linux is based on Arch. It is comparable with Linux Mint, but for Arch instead of Debian/Ubuntu.
Arch has a great community and forum/wiki that I continue to use with Manjaro.
Pretty satisfied and at home with that OS. Everything I need integrates well, Gnome desktop is handy.
I run it on btrfs with 4 ssd in raid 10. Pretty fast since I set it up in 2017.
No Windows since about 2007/2008.
But I'm not a gamer, more of a numbers and letters person.
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Third. Pop!_OS just works. Beautiful operating system.cos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:19 pmSeconded. Pop!_OS is more than just the new Ubuntu; it may very well be the best plug-and-play operating system in the history of computing. Hell, if you'd rather not suffer the effort of installing it, you can just buy a laptop with Pop!_OS preloaded straight from the manufacturer: https://system76.com/shariq1989 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:59 pm I have been heard great things about Pop OS. My co-workers who use it say that it *just works seemlessly*, which is really my main requirement for an operating system.
https://pop.system76.com/
I tried one of those and man, that thing was smooth as butter. I'm convinced that System76 will be the next Apple if they keep it up.
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I like Xubuntu. I selected it based on my preference to the xfce4 desktop and whisker menu.
If you want to test out various versions of Linux distros without a system install, VirtualBox can be used to load multiple guest OS's under a virtual machine.
If you want to test out various versions of Linux distros without a system install, VirtualBox can be used to load multiple guest OS's under a virtual machine.
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I use Ubuntu on my home computers (have a laptop and desktop for different needs). Very easy, very fast, and LibreOffice Calc is quite useful as a substitute for Excel (thought the muscle memory on formatting charts always takes me a second) to run my personal finance spreadsheet.
I will probably need to upgrade my laptop soon. Linux stretched the lifespan pretty well so it's been almost 7 years since I bought the one I have now. I'm looking for maybe a custom build without an OS, and will probably try out Zorin OS again just to see how it goes. I used it a bit in 2016/2017, and it's quite aesthetically pleasing, but when a dual boot with Win7 I had went bad, I just made a fresh drive with Ubuntu for simplicity.
I will probably need to upgrade my laptop soon. Linux stretched the lifespan pretty well so it's been almost 7 years since I bought the one I have now. I'm looking for maybe a custom build without an OS, and will probably try out Zorin OS again just to see how it goes. I used it a bit in 2016/2017, and it's quite aesthetically pleasing, but when a dual boot with Win7 I had went bad, I just made a fresh drive with Ubuntu for simplicity.
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Android - on Samsung Tablet's! Wowsa, Best zippy, near full size touch screen portable yet...
I call em the best CocktailTable Computer available - A definite iPad Killer! With serious juice, full line of supported software, great network connectivity and other platform/file comparability - I got one and was totally supersized, sees every other computer, phone, device (wired or wireless) on local LAN - and has a nice UI (same/similar to Driod Galaxy Smartphones [ but OnSteriods anda BigScreen]). It'll even full screen RemoteDesktop into my Win10Pro desktop or server! And any generic rubbertipprd pen/scribepoint worka great on it's touchscreen(much better than FatFingering). I actually prefer it to an MS Surface per the UI.
Yep, Google Android OS on a Samsung Tablet - Who'd a thought it - Suprized Me! I'm totally moble with it.
Check em out, they come in like 7" thru 12-14" screens and usually included folder/case.
I got mine at Costco very reasonably... (LoveIt)
PS: they're Much more powerfull that I ever thought...
I call em the best CocktailTable Computer available - A definite iPad Killer! With serious juice, full line of supported software, great network connectivity and other platform/file comparability - I got one and was totally supersized, sees every other computer, phone, device (wired or wireless) on local LAN - and has a nice UI (same/similar to Driod Galaxy Smartphones [ but OnSteriods anda BigScreen]). It'll even full screen RemoteDesktop into my Win10Pro desktop or server! And any generic rubbertipprd pen/scribepoint worka great on it's touchscreen(much better than FatFingering). I actually prefer it to an MS Surface per the UI.
Yep, Google Android OS on a Samsung Tablet - Who'd a thought it - Suprized Me! I'm totally moble with it.
Check em out, they come in like 7" thru 12-14" screens and usually included folder/case.
I got mine at Costco very reasonably... (LoveIt)
PS: they're Much more powerfull that I ever thought...
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It's my favorite. I've tried SUSE, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Mint (MATE I think?), but Lubuntu is my favorite, especially with the new LXQT rather than LXDE.
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Every couple years I get the urge to try again with Linux, and every time there is some nit-picky thing that causes an issue(s). (This time around Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based OSs causes my track pad to have 1/2 pause before starting to move and the tap to click doesn't work, but only after the PC sleeps and wakes)
My experience is that that Linux is a hobby, Windows is a tool.
However I'll give this PopOS a try. I'd love to have my mind changed.
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The "good" thing about Windows is that it's always breaking, so there's a lot of "experience" fixing it and a bigger support group.Coltrane75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:49 am I built a PC that ran a dual boot of Windows 10 and Linux Mint.
It was great for about 6 months until I had a hardware issue.
The Windows side was still able to start-up so that I could investigate the problem.
Linux wouldn't start. I then posted to the Linux Mint community forum and really had trouble communicating the problem in a way that could fix the problem.
I lost patience and retreated back to just Windows 10.
I will admit, I haven't had the motivation to really dig deep and learn enough about Linux to become an advanced user.
I don't think its as user friendly and getting help was a challenge.
Maybe I'll try again at some point.
Did (Mint) Linux start loading (screen with all the text scrolling, though often hidden by a splashpage). Did you try "save mode"? It provides a lot of information but often useful to tell you what worked and what didn't. If it didn't get to that state, then you're limited to hardware and low level troubleshooting strategies. Sometimes, it's helpful to get some tools on a USB drive and worth that way. Anyway, what turned out to be the problem hardware?
https://askubuntu.com/questions/172319/ ... -safe-mode
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_startup_process
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In Windows 10, it seems you don't have a choice if you want or don't want to send diagnostic data to Microsoft. It seems to send data to Microsoft by default. You have a choice to send more.
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There has been a privacy study that indicates that Windows will send out data hundreds if not thousands of times per day regardless of the settings you choose.
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I can't believe I am posting here. Being techo-challenged, I feel so inadequate.
Anyway, I have a Dell Windows XP laptop. Before sending it to landfill, i 'd like to see if I can learn some Linux with it.
Is it too too old? If not, what would be a lightweight version that you think might work?
Thank you!
Anyway, I have a Dell Windows XP laptop. Before sending it to landfill, i 'd like to see if I can learn some Linux with it.
Is it too too old? If not, what would be a lightweight version that you think might work?
Thank you!
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I'd give Main Page - Linux Mint a try. I've put it on ancient Dell laptops and it has worked reasonably well for experimenting as a 'desktop or laptop' Linux distribution. IIRC you can run it off a USB drive and/or a CD-ROM so your first try doesn't even require an install.Faith20879 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:01 pm I can't believe I am posting here. Being techo-challenged, I feel so inadequate.
Anyway, I have a Dell Windows XP laptop. Before sending it to landfill, i 'd like to see if I can learn some Linux with it.
Is it too too old? If not, what would be a lightweight version that you think might work?
Thank you!
My main workhorse PC runs Windows 10 Pro but I've got a few older PCs that I've repurposed as servers running CentOS 7 and/or 8.
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How ancient is the laptop? Model? Year? Specs? Mint fxce likely one of the main contenders, but if it's really ancient and low spec, you might try Lubuntu.Peculiar_Investor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:26 pmI'd give Main Page - Linux Mint a try. I've put it on ancient Dell laptops and it has worked reasonably well for experimenting as a 'desktop or laptop' Linux distribution. IIRC you can run it off a USB drive and/or a CD-ROM so your first try doesn't even require an install.Faith20879 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:01 pm I can't believe I am posting here. Being techo-challenged, I feel so inadequate.
Anyway, I have a Dell Windows XP laptop. Before sending it to landfill, i 'd like to see if I can learn some Linux with it.
Is it too too old? If not, what would be a lightweight version that you think might work?
Thank you!
My main workhorse PC runs Windows 10 Pro but I've got a few older PCs that I've repurposed as servers running CentOS 7 and/or 8.
What is the processor? 32 or 64 bit?
https://tutonics.com/2014/11/how-to-fin ... is-64.htmlWindows XP
Open the run dialogue box by pressing the 'Windows Key' + r type in 'cmd' then click 'OK', this will open up the command prompt.
Enter the following code then hit Enter, the first line of output will state either 64 bit or 32 bit.
wmic os get osarchitecture
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Yes, I'd also suggest giving Linux Mint a try. However, when you select "Download" ( https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php ) on the Mint page, you'll see that the MintOS comes in 3 versions:Faith20879 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:01 pm I can't believe I am posting here. Being techo-challenged, I feel so inadequate.
Anyway, I have a Dell Windows XP laptop. Before sending it to landfill, i 'd like to see if I can learn some Linux with it.
Is it too too old? If not, what would be a lightweight version that you think might work?
Thank you!
1. Cinnamon
2. MATE ("mah-tay", like the South American tea)
3. Xfce
You'll want Xfce, which is the most stripped-down version and the first choice for trying on old computers. I'm guessing it should run just fine.
You can work your way up (step-wise) toward Cinnamon. Cinnamon will be the slowest on your computer because it provides more Apps/widgets & desktop customization options than the other 2 -- but who knows, it may also run just fine for your needs.
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My parents get my hand me down laptops, all with Linux Mint. That's all they know, never seen Windows, or Mac.
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To help, I'm using Xfce with my version of Linux (Fedora). Translation: It's like the old Windows, you'll be fine.BespokeBiker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:40 pmYes, I'd also suggest giving Linux Mint a try. However, when you select "Download" ( https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php ) on the Mint page, you'll see that the MintOS comes in 3 versions:Faith20879 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:01 pm I can't believe I am posting here. Being techo-challenged, I feel so inadequate.
Anyway, I have a Dell Windows XP laptop. Before sending it to landfill, i 'd like to see if I can learn some Linux with it.
Is it too too old? If not, what would be a lightweight version that you think might work?
Thank you!
1. Cinnamon
2. MATE ("mah-tay", like the South American tea)
3. Xfce
You'll want Xfce, which is the most stripped-down version and the first choice for trying on old computers. I'm guessing it should run just fine.
You can work your way up (step-wise) toward Cinnamon. Cinnamon will be the slowest on your computer because it provides more Apps/widgets & desktop customization options than the other 2 -- but who knows, it may also run just fine for your needs.
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Model: Dell inspiron I2600
Year: 2004ish
Processor: celeron 1200mhz
Ram 256mb
HD. 18gb
Screen 1024 x 768
Guessing it is 32 bit
Thank you!
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Yikes! That's older than I had expected. It's about a tenth the speed of the early Chromebooks, and if you know how sluggish they are now with modern web pages, then you'll know what to expect. I don't think Mint will run and even Lubuntu probably needs more.Faith20879 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:18 pmModel: Dell inspiron I2600
Year: 2004ish
Processor: celeron 1200mhz
Ram 256mb
HD. 18gb
Screen 1024 x 768
Guessing it is 32 bit
Thank you!
There are a number linux distributions that would run on such a low end system, but they're not easy or fun, and not representative of what modern linux is today. You'd be looking at very lighweight browsers. Just getting some sites to load will be success. Wikipedia should be mostly ok. Google docs, probably not. Anything video is unlike to work or work well. I wouldn't recommend bothering with it. It's learning more about linux history than how to use linux.
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My family has
4 windows PC
4 chromebooks
4 linux machines (1 pi-hole DNS server, 1 DVR server, 2 media players hooked to TV)
4 windows PC
4 chromebooks
4 linux machines (1 pi-hole DNS server, 1 DVR server, 2 media players hooked to TV)
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Probably wouldn’t bother modifying that one - a Pi would be more appropriate to play with Linux. But don’t landfill it, Best Buy will give you a gift card for it and recycle it.Faith20879 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:18 pm Model: Dell inspiron I2600
Year: 2004ish
Processor: celeron 1200mhz
Ram 256mb
HD. 18gb
Screen 1024 x 768
Guessing it is 32 bit
Thank you!
I would look up DBAN though before you give it away.
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It might be fun to try almost like a thought exercise. Slax and Puppy seem like ultra-light distributions (versions) that you could try.Faith20879 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:18 pmModel: Dell inspiron I2600
Year: 2004ish
Processor: celeron 1200mhz
Ram 256mb
HD. 18gb
Screen 1024 x 768
Guessing it is 32 bit
Thank you!
Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
I've been running Pop OS for a few months on a new Lenovo Mini (M80q). Windows is installed on the new NVMe, with Pop OS on a 5-6 year old Intel SSD that I installed from my old PC. I more frequently boot into Pop because I just enjoy using it more. I have a 23" monitor connected via HDMI and a 43" TV via DisplayPort (w/HDMI adapter connected to the TV), and PopOS handles the 2 monitor resolutions better than Windows, which surprised me. Using the TV, I do have to manually set the sound source each time I boot up, but Windows requires the same back-and-forth between the DP/HDMI and the USB out to my amp when the TV is off.
There are a few drawbacks, though. There's no native Tidal app for Linux, I just listen through the browser which doesn't support the higher Master quality. There are a few other apps I use in Windows, but I've found suitable substitutes in almost all other cases. On this machine, Pop OS does just work -- wireless, ethernet, network connectivity to my NAS ... just as well as Windows.
Several years ago, I had Manjaro installed on an older machine and ran it for about a year with no issues. However, the main developer or maintainer at the time left, and I think there was maybe 1 guy keeping it up for a little while. During that time, I installed an update that no longer worked at all, so I went back to Windows until this recent run with Pop. (To be fair, a Windows update did the same to me a year prior, which is one reason I switched to Manjaro. And all the updates Windows pushed out requiring numerous reboots meant it took forever to restore the system without a disk image). Anyway, this experience means I'll keep one dedicated disk with a Windows installation while I'm using Linux, and I'll just boot up to one or the other to keep them updated and use what I want.
On another note, I had an old Lenovo Ideapad 100S on which I installed several light distros. While they ran better than Windows 10 with such light hardware resources, once I updated them to a newer version/kernel both the wireless and sound stopped working. I scoured the message boards for hours before realizing the chip in that laptop was just not supported any longer. There was a driver for the wireless in the staging directory that simply didn't work, and some apparent solutions got into the weeds with adding device ID's and such that didn't really work. So the only way I could really keep using the laptop with Linux was to keep an older version with an older kernel and stay there. It was a real headache searching what looked like solutions just to find they didn't actually solve the issues. So, in my anecdotal opinion (IMAO) Windows is still the hardware support king, even though Linux is promoted as working better with older, resource-light hardware. There are obvious reasons for this but my post is already too long for that topic.
There are a few drawbacks, though. There's no native Tidal app for Linux, I just listen through the browser which doesn't support the higher Master quality. There are a few other apps I use in Windows, but I've found suitable substitutes in almost all other cases. On this machine, Pop OS does just work -- wireless, ethernet, network connectivity to my NAS ... just as well as Windows.
Several years ago, I had Manjaro installed on an older machine and ran it for about a year with no issues. However, the main developer or maintainer at the time left, and I think there was maybe 1 guy keeping it up for a little while. During that time, I installed an update that no longer worked at all, so I went back to Windows until this recent run with Pop. (To be fair, a Windows update did the same to me a year prior, which is one reason I switched to Manjaro. And all the updates Windows pushed out requiring numerous reboots meant it took forever to restore the system without a disk image). Anyway, this experience means I'll keep one dedicated disk with a Windows installation while I'm using Linux, and I'll just boot up to one or the other to keep them updated and use what I want.
On another note, I had an old Lenovo Ideapad 100S on which I installed several light distros. While they ran better than Windows 10 with such light hardware resources, once I updated them to a newer version/kernel both the wireless and sound stopped working. I scoured the message boards for hours before realizing the chip in that laptop was just not supported any longer. There was a driver for the wireless in the staging directory that simply didn't work, and some apparent solutions got into the weeds with adding device ID's and such that didn't really work. So the only way I could really keep using the laptop with Linux was to keep an older version with an older kernel and stay there. It was a real headache searching what looked like solutions just to find they didn't actually solve the issues. So, in my anecdotal opinion (IMAO) Windows is still the hardware support king, even though Linux is promoted as working better with older, resource-light hardware. There are obvious reasons for this but my post is already too long for that topic.
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Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
Just checked distrowatch...I cannot believe what I'm seeing. #1 is MX Linux based on Debian stable + Xfce? #2 is Manjaro based on Arch? I haven't even heard of this Pop!_OS business before. Times have changed.
Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
That's just visits to the site, no? Not actual downloads or installs from what I can tell. And even less about actual usage.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:20 pm Just checked distrowatch...I cannot believe what I'm seeing. #1 is MX Linux based on Debian stable + Xfce? #2 is Manjaro based on Arch? I haven't even heard of this Pop!_OS business before. Times have changed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments ... _of_linux/
Important to distinguish what is being reported and whether the information is relevant.
FWIW, I just visited those 3 distro pages and not the main ones, so added to their visit tally. Didn't go further.
Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
I've been running Linux at home and at work since 1998. I have never, ever had a worm or virus.
Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
The Windows shell doesn’t even come close to comparing to the power of the Linux terminal. Unlikely to be relevant to someone asking this question, though.
My votes for Linux with a Windows VM via VirtualBox if you need windows-only apps.
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I use Ubuntu primarily for my home PC. Mac is never an issue as tech companies provide a laptop. I also have a Windows 10 laptop for anything that requires windows, like my document scanner's software. It's a good setup to get to use a little bit of everything.
Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
For the Linux enthusiasts, I've been running a terminal application called "ticker".
It's easy to setup.
https://github.com/achannarasappa/ticker
It's easy to setup.
https://github.com/achannarasappa/ticker
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Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
I find the Linux browsers are slower than windows ones. So I stay with windows it seems to work smoother.
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Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
Same here. I'm all for embedded Linux and server Linux but on the desktop it's never had the polish of Windows or especially Mac.iamblessed wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:18 pm I find the Linux browsers are slower than windows ones. So I stay with windows it seems to work smoother.
I know others will disagree but Windows is the one that, since XP, has always "just worked." Linux is the OS that sometimes randomly boots to a terminal window, forgets how to play sound, needs a convoluted terminal command to do a basic task, etc. Gnome or KDE running Firefox is sluggish compared to W10 with Edge.
I've never had a problem with malware or viruses on Windows either. I think a lot of people are just remembering Windows 98 and IE or have grossly underpowered computers.
But try both and use what you like, absolutely.
Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
Here is how you make the decision on which OS to run.
1. Identify the applications that you want or need to run. In my case I need to run Quicken Home & Business
2. Which OS will those application run on? Quicken Home & Business only runs on Windows.
3. Now you know the OS(es) you need to run.
If I didn't need to run Quicken (and a few other Windows-only apps), I would not install Windows at all. But I do. So I install Linux (Fedora) on the PC. Then I run Vmware Workstation, and then I create a Windows vm to run Quicken which will run fine in a vm. Lightroom and other image or video editing apps won't.
1. Identify the applications that you want or need to run. In my case I need to run Quicken Home & Business
2. Which OS will those application run on? Quicken Home & Business only runs on Windows.
3. Now you know the OS(es) you need to run.
If I didn't need to run Quicken (and a few other Windows-only apps), I would not install Windows at all. But I do. So I install Linux (Fedora) on the PC. Then I run Vmware Workstation, and then I create a Windows vm to run Quicken which will run fine in a vm. Lightroom and other image or video editing apps won't.
Re: Running Linux vs Other OS?
I use Linux Mint almost exclusively.
I have found that for problematic websites, using Google Chrome web browser helps.
Otherwise, I use Firefox and Brave.
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I have found that for problematic websites, using Google Chrome web browser helps.
Otherwise, I use Firefox and Brave.
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