Wow!dukeblue219 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:22 am If you ever get frustrated with volatility of US stocks, just look at what's happened to a certain very popular alternative "investment" that shall not be named in the last 24 hours. Yikes.
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'87-style crashes are common for the unnamed asset. Not my cup of tea.
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You gotta have balls of steel to ride that rollercoaster.MindBogler wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:12 pm '87-style crashes are common for the unnamed asset. Not my cup of tea.
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Those wishing to discuss this unnamed "investment" further should instead refer to this post.
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Aren't all those (worsening of financial conditions, deflationary environment) reasons for further declines in the stock market?3CT_Paddler wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:44 amThe market is guessing (based on Treasury yields) that at some point in the next year or two inflation will abate as financial conditions worsen or the Feds initial rate increase hurts stocks/growth and that we are ultimately in a deflationary environment.UncleLeo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:37 am I know this is naive and oversimplified, but I need to know where I'm wrong in my logic -
We know that when interest rates go up valuations go down and vice versa, or as Warren Buffet puts it - interest rates act as "gravitational pull" on valuations.
When Interest rates went up in late 2018, stocks when to a bear market and jpow had to reverse course.
When Interest rates went down as a response to the pandemic - valuations skyrocketed.
Now, we're facing high inflation that won't just go away. jpow is tapering asset purchases and it's only a matter of time until interest rates will start going up.
This time around, jpow won't have the luxury to stop raising interest rates, because price stability is the fed's mandate and because of political reasons.
It seems that the market is starting to digest that inflation is here to stay and that there's no escape from raising interest rates. no more cheap money.
By that logic - the only direction for the stock market from here is down. until rates will stabilize.
Another point is that inflation is good for the stock market - when dollars lose their value, people buy assets even if they're risky.
Knowing that the fed will act to lower inflation makes dollars more attractive and the risk of stocks less attractive.
Where am I wrong?
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Who knows? Don't try to figure it out. You won't.UncleLeo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:45 pmAren't all those (worsening of financial conditions, deflationary environment) reasons for further declines in the stock market?3CT_Paddler wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:44 amThe market is guessing (based on Treasury yields) that at some point in the next year or two inflation will abate as financial conditions worsen or the Feds initial rate increase hurts stocks/growth and that we are ultimately in a deflationary environment.UncleLeo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:37 am I know this is naive and oversimplified, but I need to know where I'm wrong in my logic -
We know that when interest rates go up valuations go down and vice versa, or as Warren Buffet puts it - interest rates act as "gravitational pull" on valuations.
When Interest rates went up in late 2018, stocks when to a bear market and jpow had to reverse course.
When Interest rates went down as a response to the pandemic - valuations skyrocketed.
Now, we're facing high inflation that won't just go away. jpow is tapering asset purchases and it's only a matter of time until interest rates will start going up.
This time around, jpow won't have the luxury to stop raising interest rates, because price stability is the fed's mandate and because of political reasons.
It seems that the market is starting to digest that inflation is here to stay and that there's no escape from raising interest rates. no more cheap money.
By that logic - the only direction for the stock market from here is down. until rates will stabilize.
Another point is that inflation is good for the stock market - when dollars lose their value, people buy assets even if they're risky.
Knowing that the fed will act to lower inflation makes dollars more attractive and the risk of stocks less attractive.
Where am I wrong?
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Why are you pushing the limits of forum policies, dookblue219? Call me carolinablue219.dukeblue219 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:22 am If you ever get frustrated with volatility of US stocks, just look at what's happened to a certain very popular alternative "investment" that shall not be named in the last 24 hours. Yikes.
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VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
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That's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
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People also pay high expense ratios for ARKK (.76!). That would be the only "bashing" I would worry about.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:12 pmARKK's CAGR since inception is 28%, 2x the S&P500 (14% since 2015). People start bashing funds too early.peskypesky wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:09 pmAs I wrote on Yahoo Finance: "Cathie Woods is worse at picking stocks than me. And that's saying something."atdharris wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:36 amThe only two "hypergrowth" stock I own are some ARKK and some Pinterest. ARKK is down maybe 30% this year and Pinterest down a whopping 45%. Unless I am to believe Pinterest is going bankrupt, it doesn't make sense to liquidate what I have now.S4C5 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:32 am Anybody else think the small cap/biotech/hypergrowth crash (lets be honest, that's what this is. We are down 30-40% for the year in ALL of this stuff, basically anything Cathie Wood has ever touched) is just market manipulation and this will just cycle back as these are viewed as value plays again.
I have about a 100k basis in ARKG, now worth 70k. Somebody above mentioned selling ARKK (thankfully I did back in October when I got my shares called away selling covered calls). I can't really justify selling an ETF at these levels when everything is getting hammered unless I am sure that this is a permanent reversal. As much as I hated too, I bought another 200 shares this morning.
Same thing with basically anything Cathie Wood has ever touched. Just getting decimated across the board. It's not individual stocks/bad companies. It's sector wide, and this volatilty will reverse the other way again, right? RIGHT?
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US stocks are soaring so high they've reached outer space and are free falling in zero gravity.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 pmThat's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
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For one thing it would be an absolute mess trying to refer to any previous discussion chains.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 pmThat's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
They could start an altogether new thread.
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The point is that there is no difference between the two threads.000 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:29 pmFor one thing it would be an absolute mess trying to refer to any previous discussion chains.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 pmThat's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
They could start an altogether new thread.
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I don't disagree.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:32 pmThe point is that there is no difference between the two threads.000 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:29 pmFor one thing it would be an absolute mess trying to refer to any previous discussion chains.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 pmThat's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
They could start an altogether new thread.
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Stay on topic please.
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I like the separate threads. I can literally tell how the market is doing by which thread is active, and how active it is. Kinda cool.
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Currently, the market is closed. Can you tell?
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exactly. they should be merged.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:32 pmThe point is that there is no difference between the two threads.000 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:29 pmFor one thing it would be an absolute mess trying to refer to any previous discussion chains.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 pmThat's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
They could start an altogether new thread.
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Agreed. At this point it is actually more of a hassle to have two going. Why not just make it a U.S. stock market discussion?peskypesky wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:14 pmexactly. they should be merged.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:32 pmThe point is that there is no difference between the two threads.000 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:29 pmFor one thing it would be an absolute mess trying to refer to any previous discussion chains.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 pmThat's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
They could start an altogether new thread.
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Tell that to those of us who started investing, with the premise that this will be a good long term investment like you say, in her funds in early 2021 and have tried to average down throughout the year. It’s beyond frustrating. This stuff is all stupidly oversold right now but it’s impossible to figure out where to go from here.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:12 pmARKK's CAGR since inception is 28%, 2x the S&P500 (14% since 2015). People start bashing funds too early.peskypesky wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:09 pmAs I wrote on Yahoo Finance: "Cathie Woods is worse at picking stocks than me. And that's saying something."atdharris wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:36 amThe only two "hypergrowth" stock I own are some ARKK and some Pinterest. ARKK is down maybe 30% this year and Pinterest down a whopping 45%. Unless I am to believe Pinterest is going bankrupt, it doesn't make sense to liquidate what I have now.S4C5 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:32 am Anybody else think the small cap/biotech/hypergrowth crash (lets be honest, that's what this is. We are down 30-40% for the year in ALL of this stuff, basically anything Cathie Wood has ever touched) is just market manipulation and this will just cycle back as these are viewed as value plays again.
I have about a 100k basis in ARKG, now worth 70k. Somebody above mentioned selling ARKK (thankfully I did back in October when I got my shares called away selling covered calls). I can't really justify selling an ETF at these levels when everything is getting hammered unless I am sure that this is a permanent reversal. As much as I hated too, I bought another 200 shares this morning.
Same thing with basically anything Cathie Wood has ever touched. Just getting decimated across the board. It's not individual stocks/bad companies. It's sector wide, and this volatilty will reverse the other way again, right? RIGHT?
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All I said was her track record on ARKK is still 28% CAGR. I don't hold ARKK, I didn't say it is a good long term investment.S4C5 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:30 pm Tell that to those of us who started investing, with the premise that this will be a good long term investment like you say, in her funds in early 2021 and have tried to average down throughout the year. It’s beyond frustrating. This stuff is all stupidly oversold right now but it’s impossible to figure out where to go from here.
I understand the frustration, but calling her a bad stock picker just has no basis (yet).
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It's funny isn't it? The total market can go all over the place and we say volatility is the price we pay for good long term returns. When a managed fund goes up and then down, and still has good performance in total, we assume the manager is a fraud, shouldn't be trusted, got lucky.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:34 pmAll I said was her track record on ARKK is still 28% CAGR. I don't hold ARKK, I didn't say it is a good long term investment.S4C5 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:30 pm Tell that to those of us who started investing, with the premise that this will be a good long term investment like you say, in her funds in early 2021 and have tried to average down throughout the year. It’s beyond frustrating. This stuff is all stupidly oversold right now but it’s impossible to figure out where to go from here.
I understand the frustration, but calling her a bad stock picker just has no basis (yet).
I happen to hate the idea of managed funds, but these gyrations should be expected. She slaughtered the market for a while. We should know the opposite can also occur.
This is the problem with managed funds. It's additional risk that is not expected to be compensated. Those who are investors in these funds and are upset with the performance and selling know deep down that managed funds have these risks and are now deciding it isn't one worth taking.
My opinion is that Cathie Wood was simply lucky.
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Lets call it "Nobody knows nothin'"peskypesky wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:14 pmexactly. they should be merged.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:32 pmThe point is that there is no difference between the two threads.000 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:29 pmFor one thing it would be an absolute mess trying to refer to any previous discussion chains.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 pmThat's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
They could start an altogether new thread.
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lmao, just, lmao. Imagine actually believing this. Imagine loading $ into a fund managed by a Twitter memer who invests into meme and fUtUrE web 3.0 EV solar TECHBRO crypto stocks that was only pulled into good ROI territory all due to (essentially) one good stock call (TSLA) as she and her entire staff shilled it on CNBC, Twitter, literally setting up a PODCAST to discuss Tesla, etc for 3 years non-stop and just. got. lucky.
Imagine paying 75bps for this service too. LMAO. Is VTSAX really that ugly? Whatever, keep sinking with the ARKK. She copped a couple $MM in $DOCU shares at the dip which I would totally bet this will resuscitate the fund to its former short-lived glory
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Futures are up. Everyone knock it off and go to the other thread.
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Imo she's still doing fine. Her CAGR used to be 50%, now 28%; S&P500's CAGR over the same period is 14%. We'll see when/if S&P500 goes higher than ARKK.Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:45 pm It's funny isn't it? The total market can go all over the place and we say volatility is the price we pay for good long term returns. When a managed fund goes up and then down, and still has good performance in total, we assume the manager is a fraud, shouldn't be trusted, got lucky.
I happen to hate the idea of managed funds, but these gyrations should be expected. She slaughtered the market for a while. We should know the opposite can also occur.
This is the problem with managed funds. It's additional risk that is not expected to be compensated. Those who are investors in these funds and are upset with the performance and selling know deep down that managed funds have these risks and are now deciding it isn't one worth taking.
My opinion is that Cathie Wood was simply lucky.
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I sense another red day
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Even if she does well, it's luck. I don't think she has any special stock-picking abilities.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:50 pmImo she's still doing fine. Her CAGR used to be 50%, now 28%; S&P500's CAGR over the same period is 14%. We'll see when/if S&P500 goes higher than ARKK.Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:45 pm It's funny isn't it? The total market can go all over the place and we say volatility is the price we pay for good long term returns. When a managed fund goes up and then down, and still has good performance in total, we assume the manager is a fraud, shouldn't be trusted, got lucky.
I happen to hate the idea of managed funds, but these gyrations should be expected. She slaughtered the market for a while. We should know the opposite can also occur.
This is the problem with managed funds. It's additional risk that is not expected to be compensated. Those who are investors in these funds and are upset with the performance and selling know deep down that managed funds have these risks and are now deciding it isn't one worth taking.
My opinion is that Cathie Wood was simply lucky.
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Asia is in the toilet. China and Japan down big.
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The US futures are up.dukeblue219 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:01 pmMeh, less than 1% on the Nikkei and US futures look fine.
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SSE Composite is up.
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-1% and -0.1 percent respectively : ) I know the toilets in Japan are immaculate though.
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I'm an advocate of not merging the two threads, my reasons given in the soaring thread.mikejuss wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 pmThat's an excellent question. Why won't the moderators merge the "US stocks in free fall" and "US stocks soaring" threads? That'd be a really satisfying piece of poetic justice.case_of_ennui wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:52 pm VTSAX is up 5.3% over the last 6 months. What are you guys doing here?
That being said, I'll try to make one comment pertinent to falling... I see that the latest S&P closing price is less than halfway to a "correction". That's worth almost half a yawn right there!
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Don't merge. A little more self restraint for frivolous posting maybe as to not stretch the long leash these threads have been given. Play-by-play is a bit excessive.
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I agree for the large part that she casts a wide net and ends up with a lot of losers hoping for one big winner. Still, this is a sector wide thing right now. Unless somebody can tell me why I should specifically dump a fund of these stocks right now for large losses, I can’t really seem to justify it. Long term she may not do that well, and I do want to significantly reduce my exposure to ARK, but what is stopping this from recovering in the short term with the rest of the sector?morsk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:01 pmlmao, just, lmao. Imagine actually believing this. Imagine loading $ into a fund managed by a Twitter memer who invests into meme and fUtUrE web 3.0 EV solar TECHBRO crypto stocks that was only pulled into good ROI territory all due to (essentially) one good stock call (TSLA) as she and her entire staff shilled it on CNBC, Twitter, literally setting up a PODCAST to discuss Tesla, etc for 3 years non-stop and just. got. lucky.
Imagine paying 75bps for this service too. LMAO. Is VTSAX really that ugly? Whatever, keep sinking with the ARKK. She copped a couple $MM in $DOCU shares at the dip which I would totally bet this will resuscitate the fund to its former short-lived glory
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I can't help you there. You took the risk but you were also seemingly star-struck by Cathy and her shilled amazing returns, which really means you didn't really care about the real downside risk until the day finally came. For your sake, I hope you can at least break-even and dip out but I have no idea if you'll get there any time soon. Maybe tomorrow it'll rocket up 50% or maybe you won't recover for many years but you'll hold on and keep paying those 75bps.
That's why I don't invest in meme funds. I have no problem accepting the risk proposition that I may lose 50% in a downturn owning VTSAX at some point, but I don't feel the same way about the risk proposition in a meme fund like ARKK with a .75% expense ratio. Two totally different beasts that can theoretically behave in the same way, but for some reason, they rarely do. Good luck
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This is exactly what a lot of us said back in the 1990s with a rockstar fund manager who really just got lucky investing the hot dot-com sector.S4C5 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:56 pmI agree for the large part that she casts a wide net and ends up with a lot of losers hoping for one big winner. Still, this is a sector wide thing right now. Unless somebody can tell me why I should specifically dump a fund of these stocks right now for large losses, I can’t really seem to justify it. Long term she may not do that well, and I do want to significantly reduce my exposure to ARK, but what is stopping this from recovering in the short term with the rest of the sector?morsk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:01 pmlmao, just, lmao. Imagine actually believing this. Imagine loading $ into a fund managed by a Twitter memer who invests into meme and fUtUrE web 3.0 EV solar TECHBRO crypto stocks that was only pulled into good ROI territory all due to (essentially) one good stock call (TSLA) as she and her entire staff shilled it on CNBC, Twitter, literally setting up a PODCAST to discuss Tesla, etc for 3 years non-stop and just. got. lucky.
Imagine paying 75bps for this service too. LMAO. Is VTSAX really that ugly? Whatever, keep sinking with the ARKK. She copped a couple $MM in $DOCU shares at the dip which I would totally bet this will resuscitate the fund to its former short-lived glory
And those hot managers never recovered.
It was a painful lesson, and then we turned to index investing.
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But I bet in 20 years you might be telling some younger people not to invest in the hot fund of the 2040s, and they won't listen to you either.
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I don't think it's necessary to call it luck. It might be genuine insight.Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:10 pmEven if she does well, it's luck. I don't think she has any special stock-picking abilities.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:50 pmImo she's still doing fine. Her CAGR used to be 50%, now 28%; S&P500's CAGR over the same period is 14%. We'll see when/if S&P500 goes higher than ARKK.Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:45 pm It's funny isn't it? The total market can go all over the place and we say volatility is the price we pay for good long term returns. When a managed fund goes up and then down, and still has good performance in total, we assume the manager is a fraud, shouldn't be trusted, got lucky.
I happen to hate the idea of managed funds, but these gyrations should be expected. She slaughtered the market for a while. We should know the opposite can also occur.
This is the problem with managed funds. It's additional risk that is not expected to be compensated. Those who are investors in these funds and are upset with the performance and selling know deep down that managed funds have these risks and are now deciding it isn't one worth taking.
My opinion is that Cathie Wood was simply lucky.
Even then, it is most likely limited insight (might work now, but not later, who knows???)
More importantly, it must be the ability to win the zero sum game version of investing, no matter what you call that.
So, for each winner, there must be a loser.
For me to benefit, I either need to share the special insight (which I don't) or I need to buy it for less than it's worth (which is really tricky) all the while NOT falling for the used-car-salesman who is losing the zero sum game but has great marketing (been there done that).
Back to total market returns for me!
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Im in the don’t merge camp. I make my daily trade based on which thread is at the top when I look in the morning.
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Do you have a specific time?
Otherwise, you can just wait a few moments until "whichever you really prefer just now" rises above the other.
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Tricked you
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Another bad/sad day for small cap... Low economy growth forecasted/projected is the reason I guess...
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2022 S&P 500 forecasts
BMO: 5300
CS: 5200
GS: 5100
JPM: 5050
RBC: 5050
Citi: 4900
UBS: 4850
Cantor: 4800
Barclays: 4800
BofA: 4600
MS: 4400
link
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BMO: 5300
CS: 5200
GS: 5100
JPM: 5050
RBC: 5050
Citi: 4900
UBS: 4850
Cantor: 4800
Barclays: 4800
BofA: 4600
MS: 4400
link
Apologies if this has already been posted.
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Sounds like all the analysts are pretty optimistic, which I take it as a bad sign?Robot Monster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:09 pm 2022 S&P 500 forecasts
BMO: 5300
CS: 5200
GS: 5100
JPM: 5050
RBC: 5050
Citi: 4900
UBS: 4850
Cantor: 4800
Barclays: 4800
BofA: 4600
MS: 4400
link
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Given 6.2% inflation, I'm not so sure if their projections are optimistic. 0% real is already 5000.jarjarM wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:19 pmSounds like all the analysts are pretty optimistic, which I take it as a bad sign?Robot Monster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:09 pm 2022 S&P 500 forecasts
BMO: 5300
CS: 5200
GS: 5100
JPM: 5050
RBC: 5050
Citi: 4900
UBS: 4850
Cantor: 4800
Barclays: 4800
BofA: 4600
MS: 4400
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Apologies if this has already been posted.
Re: U.S. stocks in free fall
You're expecting 6.2% inflation going forward?Marseille07 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:28 pm Given 6.2% inflation, I'm not so sure if their projections are optimistic. 0% real is already 5000.
A useful razor: anyone asking about speculative strategies on Bogleheads.org has no business using them.
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