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Stinky wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:33 pm 25,000th post in this thread.

And counting.
Yes, and it’s kind of fun to look at the S&P chart starting from the first post of this thread unit now. Despite all of the angst expressed here, it’s been a nice time to be a buy and hold investor. :happy
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Stinky wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:33 pm 25,000th post in this thread.

And counting.
I wonder whatever happened to Lbill. :confused
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000 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:51 pm
Stinky wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:33 pm 25,000th post in this thread.

And counting.
I wonder whatever happened to Lbill. :confused
HomerJ called him a mooing cow and that was that. :mrgreen:
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CyclingDuo wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:00 pm
000 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:51 pm
Stinky wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:33 pm 25,000th post in this thread.

And counting.
I wonder whatever happened to Lbill. :confused
HomerJ called him a mooing cow and that was that. :mrgreen:
Lbill's reply was pretty epic though. Amazing how much moderation has changed here.
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000 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:37 pm
CyclingDuo wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:00 pm
000 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:51 pm
Stinky wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:33 pm 25,000th post in this thread.

And counting.
I wonder whatever happened to Lbill. :confused
HomerJ called him a mooing cow and that was that. :mrgreen:
Lbill's reply was pretty epic though. Amazing how much moderation has changed here.
Yeah, I'm kind of embarrassed by that... Wish I could apologize to the guy.

:(
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Stinky wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:33 pm 25,000th post in this thread.

And counting.
And 19,000 + on the US "stocks continue to soar..."

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Jay69 wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:35 pm I still think we need a good "The market is UP thread"
This guy was way before his time :)

(Check the date)
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HomerJ wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:21 pm Heh, we're still 1000 points higher than when this thread started or about 8.5% up.

Really shouldn't add to this thread until we drop below 10800 again.
And this guy had no idea how long this thread would last... :)
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HomerJ wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:39 pm Yeah, I'm kind of embarrassed by that... Wish I could apologize to the guy.

:(
Well hopefully he isn't still fuming over being called a mooing cow by a bogleheads.org poster with a Simpsons avatar 10 years later. :P

But maybe one day he'll return to this thread in triumph during an epic bear market that takes us back to pre-2011 levels. :shock:
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HomerJ wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:23 pm
Lbill wrote:Part of the problem is that I've waited too long to pull the trigger in the past and the *%$! market turns around and skips away. I remember starting to buy in 2009 when the S&P hit 666, thinking I'd edge in as it went lower. But it never did go lower and I never "edged in". That was my theory this time again, and the thing did a 180 and blasted back up - deju vu all over again. But maybe this time that was a fakeout and it will keep going down. Next stop for me is right about 900 on the S&P. I think Jeremy Grantham said it's worth about that at the present time.
This is why we don't market time.

We may indeed see 900 on the S&P500 again.

But we may not.

So far the market has gained 25% since this thread was started. While you waited for it to hit 900. That's a ton of money left behind.

Don't try to guess the future. Stay the course, and rebalance, reacting to the PAST, instead of acting on guesses about the future.
Ouch, I hope LBill isn't still waiting for S&P500 to hit 900 again.

Also, a shout out to never listen to Jeremy Grantham.
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HomerJ wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:00 pm Ouch, I hope LBill isn't still waiting for S&P500 to hit 900 again.

Also, a shout out to never listen to Jeremy Grantham.
IDK, he did say (emphasis mine):
Lbill wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:22 pm No, I honestly think that investing in stocks stinks. It's a legitimate viewpoint even though it's a voice in wilderness in the Cult of Equities. You can make pretty good returns without undergoing the torture of the stock market - I always have.
Maybe he was into real estate?
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000 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:12 pm
HomerJ wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:00 pm Ouch, I hope LBill isn't still waiting for S&P500 to hit 900 again.

Also, a shout out to never listen to Jeremy Grantham.
IDK, he did say (emphasis mine):
Lbill wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:22 pm No, I honestly think that investing in stocks stinks. It's a legitimate viewpoint even though it's a voice in wilderness in the Cult of Equities. You can make pretty good returns without undergoing the torture of the stock market - I always have.
Maybe he was into real estate?
Probably Bitcoin...
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TheDoctor91 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:04 am Going to be a RBD for SCV.
"Rebound for Small Cap Value"?
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Really Bad Day. It's in the wiki: Abbreviations and Acronyms
RBD - Really Bad Day. A Bogleheads' idiomatic term coined by forum member livesoft. An early mention is in this thread: Today was a Really Bad Day.
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Thanks for the link.
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livesoft wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:38 am I will likely SELL some BND today. I have not decided. Usually BND doesn't move UP by as much as it has done today without dropping back down shortly thereafter. This will create some cash to do something next week.
Bought back the shares of BND sold on Friday. So far, it is like getting 2 months of dividends for free.
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retire2022 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 pm OP

use this chart app

https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui

type in vti and toggle weekly>update you shall see the price going down to 200 SMA line.
I do not see VTI's price going down to the 200 SMA line. ??
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mangorunner wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:17 am
retire2022 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 pm OP

use this chart app

https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui

type in vti and toggle weekly>update you shall see the price going down to 200 SMA line.
I do not see VTI's price going down to the 200 SMA line. ??
it was on March 23, 2020

go to overlay and fill in 200 and Simple Moving Average. As it stands currently it is not, Friday's close was sitting at 50 SMA.

Oct 4, 2021 was sitting between 50 SMA and 100 SMA.
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retire2022 wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:35 am
mangorunner wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:17 am
retire2022 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 pm OP

use this chart app

https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui

type in vti and toggle weekly>update you shall see the price going down to 200 SMA line.
I do not see VTI's price going down to the 200 SMA line. ??
it was on March 23, 2020

go to overlay and fill in 200 and Simple Moving Average. As it stands currently it is not, Friday's close was sitting at 50 SMA.

Oct 4, 2021 was sitting between 50 SMA and 100 SMA.
Got it. I didn't realize you were referring back that far. Thank you!
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Not surprisingly I don't even remember the drop that prompted the start of this thread back in 2011. Just another one of those bumps in the road along the way.
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GoldenFinch wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:11 am
Doom&Gloom wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:02 am
Gundy wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:21 am
000 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:12 pm Predictions for Monday? :twisted:
I predict a bloodbath.
I predict volatility.
It will be up.
I’m so happy to see that my Crystal Ball is in fine working condition. How it does it? I don’t know!
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peskypesky wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:11 am
marcopolo wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:09 am
peskypesky wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:53 am ugh. tapering talk hits futures.

I'm kicking myself because I knew this was coming.
No reason to kick yourself.
You didn't know. You had some vague notion that was too imprecise to act upon. Now in hindsight you have deluded yourself into thinking that you knew.
wrong. i knew.
You are given a second chance today. Back to “almost” all time highs. What do you know? What will you do?
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GoldenFinch wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:19 pm
GoldenFinch wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:11 am
Doom&Gloom wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:02 am
Gundy wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:21 am
000 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:12 pm Predictions for Monday? :twisted:
I predict a bloodbath.
I predict volatility.
It will be up.
I’m so happy to see that my Crystal Ball is in fine working condition. How it does it? I don’t know!
Good call GoldenFinch.

My prediction (bloodbath) failed horribly.
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Glad I bought the dip on Friday ! 🍻
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Bought some voo today and friday. It could drop tmr.
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Gundy wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:35 pm
GoldenFinch wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:19 pm
GoldenFinch wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:11 am
Doom&Gloom wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:02 am
Gundy wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:21 am

I predict a bloodbath.
I predict volatility.
It will be up.
I’m so happy to see that my Crystal Ball is in fine working condition. How it does it? I don’t know!
Good call GoldenFinch.

My prediction (bloodbath) failed horribly.
I’m glad! Thank you :happy
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peskypesky wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:42 am
marcopolo wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:15 am
peskypesky wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:11 am
marcopolo wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:09 am
peskypesky wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:53 am ugh. tapering talk hits futures.

I'm kicking myself because I knew this was coming.
No reason to kick yourself.
You didn't know. You had some vague notion that was too imprecise to act upon. Now in hindsight you have deluded yourself into thinking that you knew.
wrong. i knew.
LOL

Then you should definitely kick your self for not mortgaging your house to bet on it. You could retire have retired with fabulous wealth.
well, I'm already retired. I don't own a house, so I couldn't mortgage it. But I do wish I had liquidated a lot of my stocks while at ATH's.
So now that we’re within ~1% if ATHs, are you going to liquidate? Now would seem like the chance to pounce on this apparent missed opportunity.
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Look out! Nikkei -1.34% and SPX futures -1%.
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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:55 pm Look out! Nikkei -1.34% and SPX futures -1%.
:annoyed
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calvin+hobbes wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:34 pm So now that we’re within ~1% if ATHs, are you going to liquidate? Now would seem like the chance to pounce on this apparent missed opportunity.
Of course!!! :mrgreen:
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CyclingDuo wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:11 pm

Rest assured that you were not alone in the choices you made.

According to research done by Fidelity and LPL, 30.x% of all investors age 65 or older sold 100% of their equities. Overall, nearly 18% of investors (all ages) sold 100% of their equities during the Covid led 2020 capitulation between February and May of 2020.

Gut wrenching as the uncertainty and market drop intensified, I know we each personally had to combat our emotions and choices based on our individual circumstances. Point being, peskypesky - don't beat yourself up. I imagine we all could relate various lessons learned throughout our investing decades. Of even failed attempts at sticking to those lessons learned.
Thanks for the data! Pretty stunning how many people, like me, cashed out in March 2020. But then again....things were looking extremely dire. And the recovery was incredibly quick.

And I did get back in during a dip, and I have made a LOT of money since I put all my chips back in. Of course, it's debatable if I've actually "made" money. The prices of my stocks have gone up tremendously, but there are those who assert that the price increase is just a reflection of a much-weakened purchasing power of the dollar.
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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:55 pm Look out! Nikkei -1.34% and SPX futures -1%.
yep. just saw that. bummer. :(
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December could be a repeat of February 2020, a one month grind that took us to the March 2020 lows. A bunch of factors are coming together again, the latest being the new variant and the unknowns it brings with it.

There’s of course the tapering of the bond buying program, rising inflation, debt ceiling, supply chain issues, and a market near all time highs.

I think the only difference now is that unlike the unbelievable recovery following March 2020, if we have major correction, we may stay down for a while in a rising interest rate environment. The high flying tech stocks will get hit especially hard in this scenario.

I have an allocation (see signature) that will let me sleep at night. Lessons were learned during the Feb-March 2020 crash and I found out that I’m not as risk tolerant as I thought I was.
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Why do you think tech stocks will be hit especially hard?
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UpperNwGuy wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:02 am Why do you think tech stocks will be hit especially hard?
There are a lot of articles discussing that question, including this one.
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APX32 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:38 am December could be a repeat of February 2020, a one month grind that took us to the March 2020 lows. A bunch of factors are coming together again, the latest being the new variant and the unknowns it brings with it.

There’s of course the tapering of the bond buying program, rising inflation, debt ceiling, supply chain issues, and a market near all time highs.

I think the only difference now is that unlike the unbelievable recovery following March 2020, if we have major correction, we may stay down for a while in a rising interest rate environment. The high flying tech stocks will get hit especially hard in this scenario.

I have an allocation (see signature) that will let me sleep at night. Lessons were learned during the Feb-March 2020 crash and I found out that I’m not as risk tolerant as I thought I was.
But if this new variant hits the global economy hard, with lots of shutdowns, then there won't be as much of a need for the Fed to raise interest rates, right? The idea of raising rates is to tamp down inflation which is caused by high demand. Demand will fall if global economy slows, right?

I myself am not sure what the hell to do. Because of the low returns on bonds, I no longer hold any bonds, especially with inflation as high as it is. You can see from my signature what I hold. Yeah, I'm a risk taker. It's worked really well for me in the past 13 years....but I'm really wanting to find a less risky place to put some of my assets. Maybe gold. Maybe real estate.
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HanSolo wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:23 am
UpperNwGuy wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:02 am Why do you think tech stocks will be hit especially hard?
There are a lot of articles discussing that question, including this one.
Read these articles for fun if that’s your thing, but don’t actually make investment decisions based on them
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minimalistmarc wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:04 am
HanSolo wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:23 am
UpperNwGuy wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:02 am Why do you think tech stocks will be hit especially hard?
There are a lot of articles discussing that question, including this one.
Read these articles for fun if that’s your thing, but don’t actually make investment decisions based on them
I wasn't advocating that, only sharing that there is existing material relating to the question that was asked. I have no personal opinion about the material itself.
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Most us following our instincts., today market plunge many will start asking “ what to do, I don’t have enough BND, should I sell equity “ or “ I am glad I am mostly in bonds”, market will jump up - “ I have too much cash, what should I do given market conditions ?” . Fun watching , we never stop market timing (guilty too , but I never sell). I miss legends like Jack. We don’t have enough of people like him anymore to remind ourselves.
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I have the FODS. I am content with that.
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Ed 2 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:36 am Most us following our instincts., today market plunge many will start asking “ what to do, I don’t have enough BND, should I sell equity “ or “ I am glad I am mostly in bonds”, market will jump up - “ I have too much cash, what should I do given market conditions ?” . Fun watching , we never stop market timing (guilty too , but I never sell). I miss legends like Jack. We don’t have enough of people like him anymore to remind ourselves.
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It's tough being human.

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Right now, "free fall" is at the top of the list of threads and "soar" is #2. The AQR Boglehead Free fall/Soar Indicator is very confused right now, Mr. Asness doesn't know whether to be short or to be long!
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It's probably going to be a volatile ride until we find out how bad omicron may be.
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nedsaid wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:11 am Right now, "free fall" is at the top of the list of threads and "soar" is #2. The AQR Boglehead Free fall/Soar Indicator is very confused right now, Mr. Asness doesn't know whether to be short or to be long!
We’re all mixed up! Time to do more nothing!
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I'm continually amazed at the amount of market timers at BH.

Starting around 2010 (?) I started slowly scaling my AA from around 65/35 to 30/70 where it's been now for several years. I did it slowly in small chunks so whatever the market was doing didn't matter.

Of course, if I had a functioning crystal ball I probably would had done it differently. Otherwise, no regrets.
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Fast drop! Did someone say something?
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lostdog wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:02 am Fast drop! Did someone say something?
"Powell says Fed will discuss speeding up bond-buying taper at December meeting"
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lostdog wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:02 am Fast drop! Did someone say something?
Powell said that risk of persistent inflation has risen and said that the central bank may need to speed up its reduction of asset-purchases, which could set the table for faster interest-rate increases by the Fed, potentially bearish for risky assets in the short term.
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Candor wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:05 am
lostdog wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:02 am Fast drop! Did someone say something?
"Powell says Fed will discuss speeding up bond-buying taper at December meeting"
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