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nedsaid wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:46 pm If your account is more Value oriented, your account was probably down just a tad. If your account is tilted towards Growth, your account was probably up a little. Not sure that is soaring but I guess I will take it. Too bad we don't have a "U.S. Stocks Didn't Do Much Today" thread. :D
Just combine them all into the "US stocks were traded today" thread. :beer
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lostdog wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:30 pm ... Good luck QQQer's.
I have been in QQQ for about 15 years. I have a lot of "accumulated overperformance" compared to SPY.

A bad day or two has about as much chance of sinking my portfolio as a flea on the tail of a St. Bernard.
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Forester wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:24 am Increasingly possible that September 2nd (4,545) was the peak. I did consider it more likely that the market would peak in November. A third quarter peak would be a rebuttal to critics who prematurely dismissed the Q3 timeframe.
Closed at 4549 today...

But sometimes you do it right.

Most of the time, you state, unequivocally, that this is the top.
Forester wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:57 am Final official prediction. I will not post in this thread again if I am proved mistaken.

S&P 500 - has topped for the short & medium term. Not going above 3,800.
THIS time you used the words, "possibly", AND you even referenced November as a backup prediction. You're slowly learning. Very slowly, but you are learning. A smarter person would have said "in the future" or "in the next year", instead of "November", but you still have a chance for 40 days.

In any case, you were wrong about the third quarter, even though you tried to include October later in Q3.

(Should anyone take financial advice from someone who doesn't even understand a basic concept like which months fall in each quarter? - I leave that up to the reader to decide)
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Forester wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:13 am This bull run is like 90% of Jazz Music - very pleasant & impressive for a period of time; but after a while it outstays its welcome and you want it to end. I am a humble Millennial accumulator. To quote President Reagan:

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this bull market!"
And the bull goes on....

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There's a reason it's called an epic everything bubble. We need more euphoria. We need more capitulation of bears.

Although I consider these levels risky I have to assume the bulls are still in control and the Q4 top timeline is too soon. As I said previously, why not a Q1 surprise? The grueling winter months, with pleasant memories of turkey, ham, and festive cheer long past, would make thematic backdrop to stock market catastrophe.
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I predict a peak in the fifth or sixth quarter of the year.
Salmonath or Unidecember will be a new high
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Previous high was nearly two months ago, inflation is over 5%; a true new high would be 4,560.
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Forester wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:06 am Previous high was nearly two months ago, inflation is over 5%; a true new high would be 4,560.
Heh. Keep moving those goal posts.

We also received quarterly dividends Sept 30th. If we're going to include inflation, we need to include dividends as well.
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jarjarM wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:31 pm By the way, we should've all bought DWAC with every penny last night and sell at end of the session, 357% so far :twisted:
DWAC up *another* 190% today on top of +350% y'day :shock:
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SPY hit a new All Time High!

Uh, nevermind. SPY now down .5 :annoyed
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Hmmm. My portfolio was up today, I didn't expect that.
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nedsaid wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:03 pm Hmmm. My portfolio was up today, I didn't expect that.
you must've been value oriented and maybe even some decent bond holding
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jarjarM wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:00 pm
nedsaid wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:03 pm Hmmm. My portfolio was up today, I didn't expect that.
you must've been value oriented and maybe even some decent bond holding
Yes, I have a Value tilt to the portfolio and 35% bonds and cash.
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nedsaid wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:35 pm
jarjarM wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:00 pm
nedsaid wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:03 pm Hmmm. My portfolio was up today, I didn't expect that.
you must've been value oriented and maybe even some decent bond holding
Yes, I have a Value tilt to the portfolio and 35% bonds and cash.
Yeah, value make a come back today. I saw financial service (XLF) were up 1.4%.
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nedsaid wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:35 pm
jarjarM wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:00 pm
nedsaid wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:03 pm Hmmm. My portfolio was up today, I didn't expect that.
you must've been value oriented and maybe even some decent bond holding
Yes, I have a Value tilt to the portfolio and 35% bonds and cash.
International was up today too.
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Prior intraday all-time high was 4,545 SPX total return index, 36 trading days ago, inflation is at 5.39% therefore SPX needed to surpass 4,580 on Friday which did not happen.

For example the Argentine stock market makes new highs all the time but this is not necessarily a cause for celebration, real return must be accounted for.
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Earnings week! :beer
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lostdog wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:03 pm Earnings week! :beer
Money week! :sharebeer
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What bad thing just happened? :confused

The open was going so nicely for about 10 minutes and suddenly our glider crashed.
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Forester wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:38 am real return must be accounted for.
And, apparently, once you do that, you will discover that we are in the midst of a bear market:
Forester wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:55 am The next bear market - which is starting in Q3 this year
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CurlyDave wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:49 am What bad thing just happened? :confused

The open was going so nicely for about 10 minutes and suddenly our glider crashed.
Back up in the time it took you to post this : ) It is an Ouija board with millions of hands pushing and pulling at once, I wouldn't read too much into the first 30 minutes of a trading day.

By the way, Tesla approaching $1000 a share and $1 Trillion market cap.
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Big earnings week coming up. I hope it's a little better than last big earnings week when most of big tech nosedived.
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New high for S&P. :moneybag
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atdharris wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:39 am Big earnings week coming up. I hope it's a little better than last big earnings week when most of big tech nosedived.
Facebook might have an issue this quarter.
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Stinky wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:03 am New high for S&P. :moneybag
One of those days where Buffets quote about earning money while you sleep is ringing in my ears. Hopefully we get this pandemic behind us and we have a nice 1-2 years of market returns ahead of us.
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Forester wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:38 am Prior intraday all-time high was 4,545 SPX total return index, 36 trading days ago, inflation is at 5.39% therefore SPX needed to surpass 4,580 on Friday which did not happen.

For example the Argentine stock market makes new highs all the time but this is not necessarily a cause for celebration, real return must be accounted for.
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Tesla delivered a few more vehicles

1 trillion market cap
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Nathan Drake wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:59 pm Tesla delivered a few more vehicles

1 trillion market cap
As a life-long Tesla skeptic, I will gladly admit that making a deal for 100,000 cars is big news. I can see all rental majors following suit if it works out. Combined with a new more profitable battery tech for lower end cars and a price bump on a few models, I think a pop is reasonable on this news.
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z3r0c00l wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:20 pm
Nathan Drake wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:59 pm Tesla delivered a few more vehicles

1 trillion market cap
As a life-long Tesla skeptic, I will gladly admit that making a deal for 100,000 cars is big news. Combined with a new more profitable battery tech for lower end cars and a price bump, I think a pop is reasonable on this news.
It's a big deal because even if you view it as Hertz trying to drum up publicity coming out of bankruptcy it shows how a well known company wants to transition its vehicle fleet to electric because they believe the maintenance cost will benefit them long term.

I think retail investors conflate all of Elon's moonshot business ideas on the bullish case for Tesla like they will eventually all be one thing so that Tesla is somehow Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, Starlink, Neuralink but really it's still only Tesla the car company and Tesla energy to a lesser extent.
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z3r0c00l wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:20 pm
Nathan Drake wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:59 pm Tesla delivered a few more vehicles

1 trillion market cap
As a life-long Tesla skeptic, I will gladly admit that making a deal for 100,000 cars is big news. I can see all rental majors following suit if it works out. Combined with a new more profitable battery tech for lower end cars and a price bump on a few models, I think a pop is reasonable on this news.
Nothing seems reasonable about a 1T market cap to me.

If they had just announced that they had finally solved level 5 autonomy, maybe
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Nathan Drake wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:55 pm
z3r0c00l wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:20 pm
Nathan Drake wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:59 pm Tesla delivered a few more vehicles

1 trillion market cap
As a life-long Tesla skeptic, I will gladly admit that making a deal for 100,000 cars is big news. I can see all rental majors following suit if it works out. Combined with a new more profitable battery tech for lower end cars and a price bump on a few models, I think a pop is reasonable on this news.
Nothing seems reasonable about a 1T market cap to me.

If they had just announced that they had finally solved level 5 autonomy, maybe
No and there we agree, but to the extent that the prior market cap was reasonable or unreasonable, a 10-15% pop on major news is more reasonable than say just another reddit push.
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Looks like Facebook is doing well after hours.
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Forester wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:06 am Previous high was nearly two months ago, inflation is over 5%; a true new high would be 4,560.
I would love to see a graph of inflation adjusted returns with reinvested dividends. I thought I might find it on portfoliovisualizer.com but I didn't find the right buttons.
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lostdog wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:45 pm Looks like Facebook is doing well after hours.
ER is a crapshoot. Tesla went down right after the ER and some posters here speculated their ER wasn't good enough. The rest is history.
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lostdog wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:45 pm Looks like Facebook is doing well after hours.
It's really impossible to predict anything. FB misses on revenue, user growth and guides lower, yet the stock is up. I suppose you can argue it has come down since its peak, but otherwise, I'd expect the stock to be getting slammed.
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Nathan Drake wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:55 pm
z3r0c00l wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:20 pm
Nathan Drake wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:59 pm Tesla delivered a few more vehicles

1 trillion market cap
As a life-long Tesla skeptic, I will gladly admit that making a deal for 100,000 cars is big news. I can see all rental majors following suit if it works out. Combined with a new more profitable battery tech for lower end cars and a price bump on a few models, I think a pop is reasonable on this news.
Nothing seems reasonable about a 1T market cap to me.

If they had just announced that they had finally solved level 5 autonomy, maybe
If Facebook stock rallies we would have six U.S. companies at a one trillion dollar or more marketcap: Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet(Google), Amazon, Tesla, and Facebook.
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GP813 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:35 pm If Facebook stock rallies we would have six U.S. companies at a one trillion dollar or more marketcap: Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet(Google), Amazon, Tesla, and Facebook.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that any of these companies existed 50 years ago.

I wonder what the six largest companies will be in 2071 (50 years from now)? I wonder if any of these six will make the cut?
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Stinky wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:02 pm
GP813 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:35 pm If Facebook stock rallies we would have six U.S. companies at a one trillion dollar or more marketcap: Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet(Google), Amazon, Tesla, and Facebook.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that any of these companies existed 50 years ago.

I wonder what the six largest companies will be in 2071 (50 years from now)? I wonder if any of these six will make the cut?
You make an interesting point. I wonder if the largest company will be a U.S. based company at all.
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atdharris wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:19 pm It's really impossible to predict anything. FB misses on revenue, user growth and guides lower, yet the stock is up. I suppose you can argue it has come down since its peak, but otherwise, I'd expect the stock to be getting slammed.
Presumably that's because FB sold off too much in response to the SNAP news.
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esqu1re wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:32 pm
Stinky wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:02 pm
GP813 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:35 pm If Facebook stock rallies we would have six U.S. companies at a one trillion dollar or more marketcap: Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet(Google), Amazon, Tesla, and Facebook.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that any of these companies existed 50 years ago.

I wonder what the six largest companies will be in 2071 (50 years from now)? I wonder if any of these six will make the cut?
You make an interesting point. I wonder if the largest company will be a U.S. based company at all.
I'm wondering what countries there will be at that time.
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Google, Microsoft and AMD up for tomorrow.
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atdharris wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:19 pm
lostdog wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:45 pm Looks like Facebook is doing well after hours.
It's really impossible to predict anything. FB misses on revenue, user growth and guides lower, yet the stock is up. I suppose you can argue it has come down since its peak, but otherwise, I'd expect the stock to be getting slammed.
50B buybacks announced, this is the primary reason why they're up AH despite missing the bottom line.

It's really crazy though, if they beat earnings the stocks go up, if they miss...they just announce buybacks and the stocks go up.
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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:26 pm
atdharris wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:19 pm
lostdog wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:45 pm Looks like Facebook is doing well after hours.
It's really impossible to predict anything. FB misses on revenue, user growth and guides lower, yet the stock is up. I suppose you can argue it has come down since its peak, but otherwise, I'd expect the stock to be getting slammed.
50B buybacks announced, this is the primary reason why they're up AH despite missing the bottom line.

It's really crazy though, if they beat earnings the stocks go up, if they miss...they just announce buybacks and the stocks go up.
TINA still hasn't had her last dance :wink:
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000 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:30 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:26 pm
atdharris wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:19 pm
lostdog wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:45 pm Looks like Facebook is doing well after hours.
It's really impossible to predict anything. FB misses on revenue, user growth and guides lower, yet the stock is up. I suppose you can argue it has come down since its peak, but otherwise, I'd expect the stock to be getting slammed.
50B buybacks announced, this is the primary reason why they're up AH despite missing the bottom line.

It's really crazy though, if they beat earnings the stocks go up, if they miss...they just announce buybacks and the stocks go up.
TINA still hasn't had her last dance :wink:
So we still have a few weeks/months/years left :twisted: :beer
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jarjarM wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:13 pm
000 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:30 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:26 pm
atdharris wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:19 pm
lostdog wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:45 pm Looks like Facebook is doing well after hours.
It's really impossible to predict anything. FB misses on revenue, user growth and guides lower, yet the stock is up. I suppose you can argue it has come down since its peak, but otherwise, I'd expect the stock to be getting slammed.
50B buybacks announced, this is the primary reason why they're up AH despite missing the bottom line.

It's really crazy though, if they beat earnings the stocks go up, if they miss...they just announce buybacks and the stocks go up.
TINA still hasn't had her last dance :wink:
So we still have a few weeks/months/years left :twisted: :beer
I think you meant to say days/weeks/months/years...
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jarjarM wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:13 pm
000 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:30 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:26 pm
atdharris wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:19 pm
lostdog wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:45 pm Looks like Facebook is doing well after hours.
It's really impossible to predict anything. FB misses on revenue, user growth and guides lower, yet the stock is up. I suppose you can argue it has come down since its peak, but otherwise, I'd expect the stock to be getting slammed.
50B buybacks announced, this is the primary reason why they're up AH despite missing the bottom line.

It's really crazy though, if they beat earnings the stocks go up, if they miss...they just announce buybacks and the stocks go up.
TINA still hasn't had her last dance :wink:
So we still have a few weeks/months/years left :twisted: :beer
My guess is months :idea:
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sailaway wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:14 pm
jarjarM wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:13 pm
000 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:30 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:26 pm
atdharris wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:19 pm

It's really impossible to predict anything. FB misses on revenue, user growth and guides lower, yet the stock is up. I suppose you can argue it has come down since its peak, but otherwise, I'd expect the stock to be getting slammed.
50B buybacks announced, this is the primary reason why they're up AH despite missing the bottom line.

It's really crazy though, if they beat earnings the stocks go up, if they miss...they just announce buybacks and the stocks go up.
TINA still hasn't had her last dance :wink:
So we still have a few weeks/months/years left :twisted: :beer
I think you meant to say days/weeks/months/years...
You're right, that's what happens when you type while listening to a conf call :oops: :beer
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Seeing tinges of green in futures this morning. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The Curly Family Portfolio could use a little more soaring today.
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Re: U.S. stocks continue to soar!

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CurlyDave wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:15 am The Curly Family Portfolio could use a little more soaring today.
Your request has been fulfilled.

S&P at new highs, Nasdaq getting really really close.
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History may judge October 26 2021 as a gift, a last chance saloon to investors who were minded to de-risk / diversify out of US megacap FAANG.
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