U.S. stocks continue to soar!
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Is there a "bond yields continue to soar" thread somewhere?
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Heh - maybe he was right.Stinky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:56 amHaven’t I heard that somewhere before?Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:20 am History may judge October 11 2021 as a gift, a last chance saloon to investors who were minded to de-risk / diversify out of US megacap FAANG.
Sounds familiar …….
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This guy calls for a meltdown everyday without fail (parody). I think it might be a bot account.Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:13 pmHeh - maybe he was right.Stinky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:56 amHaven’t I heard that somewhere before?Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:20 am History may judge October 11 2021 as a gift, a last chance saloon to investors who were minded to de-risk / diversify out of US megacap FAANG.
Sounds familiar …….
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Two attempts in the last few years: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=340276 (Feb 2021) and viewtopic.php?t=294453 (2019). Of course, bonds are still off their 2021 lows and way off their 2018 lows.
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The market is no fun anymore…. Time to tune out for a few years….
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if you need your fix seeing price keeps going up, maybe switch to gasoline price? see how much more you pay at the pump each week it oughta be funYesterdaysnews wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:14 pm The market is no fun anymore…. Time to tune out for a few years….
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If the bond market was closed today, why did my bond funds change in price? (Of course, they went down)
(Serious question)
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No worries. 4350 is the new 4400.Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:13 pmHeh - maybe he was right.Stinky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:56 amHaven’t I heard that somewhere before?Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:20 am History may judge October 11 2021 as a gift, a last chance saloon to investors who were minded to de-risk / diversify out of US megacap FAANG.
Sounds familiar …….
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Just checked, and that’s not the answer.
One of my bond funds, VSCSX (Vanguard Short Corporates) closed at $22.38 on Friday 10/8. Tonight it’s showing a price of $22.35 on Vanguard website.
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Maybe it shows the results of after hours trading from Friday?Stinky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:57 pmJust checked, and that’s not the answer.
One of my bond funds, VSCSX (Vanguard Short Corporates) closed at $22.38 on Friday 10/8. Tonight it’s showing a price of $22.35 on Vanguard website.
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Arizona approved online sports gambling starting Sept 9th... Who needs to watch the stock market anymore?H-Town wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:03 pmif you need your fix seeing price keeps going up, maybe switch to gasoline price? see how much more you pay at the pump each week it oughta be funYesterdaysnews wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:14 pm The market is no fun anymore…. Time to tune out for a few years….
Ravens just covered my 3-leg parlay tonight... Woo-hoo!
Seriously though, it's funny how "the first taste is free"... They basically gave away $100 the first few weeks (they had two bets where if either team scored ONE point, you won the bet - max $50 bet.), but now they expect to hook us...
My wife cashed out her free $100... I'm still playing with house money... For how long I wonder?
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Maybe they wrote off some bonds as worthless today. Or maybe there’s something in those funds that aren’t strictly bonds. Do those funds do securities lending? Check your prospectus. There could be a number of things that affect fund price absent the markets.
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tomorrow not looking good with apple's announcement.
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So far future is only slightly negative.
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I think this news was pretty expected. Looks like AAPL is down 2% after hours.
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The "news" is that chip shortages may impact iPhone production.
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Awesome...thank you
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That's not too earth shattering given that there are chips in the iPhone.
And I just saw another article about the death of the 60/40 in Bloomberg today. These are fascinating.
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are any of you guys high net worth?
any truth to this? (only 10-15 seconds, don't watch the rest)
https://youtu.be/GAoiPz7UZ7o?t=1126
any truth to this? (only 10-15 seconds, don't watch the rest)
https://youtu.be/GAoiPz7UZ7o?t=1126
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1. Nobody knows nothing.anoop wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:34 pm are any of you guys high net worth?
any truth to this? (only 10-15 seconds, don't watch the rest)
https://youtu.be/GAoiPz7UZ7o?t=1126
2. Many years ago a very large brokerage house got into big trouble by telling large investors to sell, while telling small ones to buy. Does anyone remember this? Who was the brokerage?
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Bear Stearns?CurlyDave wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:42 pm1. Nobody knows nothing.anoop wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:34 pm are any of you guys high net worth?
any truth to this? (only 10-15 seconds, don't watch the rest)
https://youtu.be/GAoiPz7UZ7o?t=1126
2. Many years ago a very large brokerage house got into big trouble by telling large investors to sell, while telling small ones to buy. Does anyone remember this? Who was the brokerage?
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It sort of depends on where one is getting their investment advice. VIX is still above 2019 level and there's plenty of risk in the market. Some of the advices will be shorting the market as a hedge position. No advisor/bank will be dumb enough to tell the clients to take a 100% short position but they will tell them to move some of asset to short to cover for potential short term risk. It's not BH type advice but investors can listen to determine their own course of action depending on their risk tolerance.anoop wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:34 pm are any of you guys high net worth?
any truth to this? (only 10-15 seconds, don't watch the rest)
https://youtu.be/GAoiPz7UZ7o?t=1126
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Goldman did something like that. They were shorting the CDOs that they were selling to investors. Of course, from Goldman's point of view, they were just hedge against subprime on their book, but that's not how critics sees it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_S ... ent_(2010)
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I never figured it out either but the seemed to recover today.Stinky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:57 pmJust checked, and that’s not the answer.
One of my bond funds, VSCSX (Vanguard Short Corporates) closed at $22.38 on Friday 10/8. Tonight it’s showing a price of $22.35 on Vanguard website.
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Presumably it's because of the need to meet fund redemptions despite the lack of liquidity. I'm sure alex_686 could tell us the real answer, though.
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I was under the impression that there was no real "bond market" as in some central place where bonds were traded. There was just various finanancial firms, banks, brokerages, etc... and they all had bond dealers that sorta' created their own market(s), kind of like currency markets. Since the banks were closed/limited, perhaps it just means part of "the market" for bonds was closed, but that doesn't stop other entities from trading in them.
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I need some more soaring. If I use the 5.9% increase in social security as a measure of inflation for 2021, then any return above that is positive for me. That makes real returns look pretty sad this year compared to last year. I'm glad I reduced my bond exposure other than maxing out on I Bonds.
Come on. Let's soar some more tomorrow.
Come on. Let's soar some more tomorrow.
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Tapering coming this year: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... 002296.cms
They kind of have to, since they can't hike before they're done tapering.
They kind of have to, since they can't hike before they're done tapering.
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Future is green but that probably means the session will end in red.rockstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:05 pm I need some more soaring. If I use the 5.9% increase in social security as a measure of inflation for 2021, then any return above that is positive for me. That makes real returns look pretty sad this year compared to last year. I'm glad I reduced my bond exposure other than maxing out on I Bonds.
Come on. Let's soar some more tomorrow.
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Why can't they start the taper this Nov or Dec (should end around half way in 2022) and do rate hikes in early 2022?Marseille07 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:10 pm Tapering coming this year: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... 002296.cms
They kind of have to, since they can't hike before they're done tapering.
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I am not sure if there are technical reasons why they can't. I would certainly love to see tapering and hiking at the same time, but the markets probably won't like that.nzahir wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:49 pmWhy can't they start the taper this Nov or Dec (should end around half way in 2022) and do rate hikes in early 2022?Marseille07 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:10 pm Tapering coming this year: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... 002296.cms
They kind of have to, since they can't hike before they're done tapering.
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I dig the handle.anoop wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:17 pmThis guy calls for a meltdown everyday without fail (parody). I think it might be a bot account.Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:13 pmHeh - maybe he was right.Stinky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:56 amHaven’t I heard that somewhere before?Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:20 am History may judge October 11 2021 as a gift, a last chance saloon to investors who were minded to de-risk / diversify out of US megacap FAANG.
Sounds familiar …….
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Futures are horrible indicators. All it takes is one Fed president interview and the whole market buckles. The day to day is pretty nuts.jarjarM wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:38 pmFuture is green but that probably means the session will end in red.rockstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:05 pm I need some more soaring. If I use the 5.9% increase in social security as a measure of inflation for 2021, then any return above that is positive for me. That makes real returns look pretty sad this year compared to last year. I'm glad I reduced my bond exposure other than maxing out on I Bonds.
Come on. Let's soar some more tomorrow.
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That dude is having waaaaaaaaaay too much fun for that to be a bot account. I'm having fun watching him have fun. What a fantastic use of Twitter.anoop wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:17 pm This guy calls for a meltdown everyday without fail (parody). I think it might be a bot account.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Logan_JH1
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I'm following that account for the entertainment.Beensabu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:10 pmThat dude is having waaaaaaaaaay too much fun for that to be a bot account. I'm having fun watching him have fun. What a fantastic use of Twitter.anoop wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:17 pm This guy calls for a meltdown everyday without fail (parody). I think it might be a bot account.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Logan_JH1
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They're not indicators...futures are trading instruments of their own. They aren't predicting how the regular session would perform tomorrow (they would certainly influence the premarket trading).
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But they are the best indicators we have of how the market will open. If S&P futures are trading at 3000 at midnight, then traders expect the S&P to open tomorrow at 3000, whether it closed today at 2900 or 3100. (Presumably, this large change reflects some news that happened in the evening, such as a market boom in Japan or a natural disaster.) The expected value may be off because of news that happens before the morning opening, but it's just as likely to be off in either direction.Marseille07 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:27 amThey're not indicators...futures are trading instruments of their own. They aren't predicting how the regular session would perform tomorrow (they would certainly influence the premarket trading).
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Money never sleeps is the bottom line. International markets, futures, premarket trading etc etc are all happening before the S&P500 regular session open.grabiner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:49 am But they are the best indicators we have of how the market will open. If S&P futures are trading at 3000 at midnight, then traders expect the S&P to open tomorrow at 3000, whether it closed today at 2900 or 3100. (Presumably, this large change reflects some news that happened in the evening, such as a market boom in Japan or a natural disaster.) The expected value may be off because of news that happens before the morning opening, but it's just as likely to be off in either direction.
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Futures are a pleasant shade of green this morning.
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Not only futures. Mr. Market likes something.
We are well off ATHs, but hope springs eternal in the Curly Family Portfolio.
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Banks are showing strong earnings. If earnings continue to outperform, perhaps the market is not trading at too high of a valuation when you look forward to 2022
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S&P is at 97% of ATH, Nasdaq at 96%.
Back when I was in school, those kinds of grades were "A". If not "A+".
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I have this crazy strategy of doing nothing cause I know nothin...as a matter of fact no one does..working.fine for me
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Please no taper down today.
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I told you all the soaring will continue past November when my bonus comes. No way Im going to be able to pick up a truck load of VTSAX on sale!
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Remember folks there is nothing to worry about. We have an amazingly prescient personal guarantee the S&P top of 4800 won't be reached until November. The soaring is just getting warmed up!
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