Hello Bogleheads,
I am a pretty strong believer in the 3 fund portfolio and have all my current investments in the 3 funds (or equivalent in my 401k).
I might soon run out of Tax advantage space to invest Bonds in and want to know what bond funds I can invest in Taxable.
At one point of time I had I-Bonds, but to keep things simple enough I just sold them.
I live in Florida and my tax bracket is Single Filer 24% and use Vanguard funds.
Should I stick with VBTLX? Should I use VTEAX? What other Vanguard Bond Index funds are available? Any other options I should consider?
Thank you.
What Bond Index funds in Taxable - FL/24%
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What Bond Index funds in Taxable - FL/24%
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Re: What Bond Index funds in Taxable - FL/24%
VTEAX is your best option if you are in a high tax bracket.
Re: What Bond Index funds in Taxable - FL/24%
In the 24% tax bracket, it's pretty close between munis and taxable bonds. My rule of thumb is that 25% is the break-even tax rate between munis and taxable bonds of comparable risk. As a single in the 24% bracket, you are probably not subject to Net Investment Income Tax (AGI over $200K, which makes your marginal tax rate 27.8%) unless you have a lot of qualified dividends or long-term gains which do not increase your tax bracket, or large itemized deductions so that your AGI is much higher than your taxable income.
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Re: What Bond Index funds in Taxable - FL/24%
Given current yields for VBTLX and VTEAX and a 24% tax bracket, VBTLX is the better choice.
VBTLX SEC 30-day yield = 1.29%
VTEAX SEC 30-day yield = 0.81%
a little math
( 1 - 0.24 ) X 1.29 = 0.9804
So, if you buy VBTLX you'll get to keep 0.98%, but if you buy VTEAX you'll get to keep 0.81%.
Obviously, these calculations change over time as the yield(s) move around with changes in the interest rate environment.
Regards,
VBTLX SEC 30-day yield = 1.29%
VTEAX SEC 30-day yield = 0.81%
a little math
( 1 - 0.24 ) X 1.29 = 0.9804
So, if you buy VBTLX you'll get to keep 0.98%, but if you buy VTEAX you'll get to keep 0.81%.
Obviously, these calculations change over time as the yield(s) move around with changes in the interest rate environment.
Regards,
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Re: What Bond Index funds in Taxable - FL/24%
This is not the whole story, because bond yields depend on risk as well. VBTLX has a duration of 6.8 years, while VTEAX has a duration of 4.6 years. You are thus taking more interest-rate risk in order to get the higher yield.retired@50 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:14 am Given current yields for VBTLX and VTEAX and a 24% tax bracket, VBTLX is the better choice.
VBTLX SEC 30-day yield = 1.29%
VTEAX SEC 30-day yield = 0.81%
a little math
( 1 - 0.24 ) X 1.29 = 0.9804
So, if you buy VBTLX you'll get to keep 0.98%, but if you buy VTEAX you'll get to keep 0.81%.
And even that isn't the whole story; most munis are callable, and this causes muni funds to have more interest-rate risk than indicated by the duration. Thus, even though Vanguard Long-Term Tax-Exempt Admiral has a yield of 1.13% with a duration of 5.2 years, for a higher after-tax yield than Total Bond Market, it probably has more risk.
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Re: What Bond Index funds in Taxable - FL/24%
I agree with you. There is always some sort of difference when comparing a taxable bond fund to a municipal bond fund.grabiner wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:30 pmThis is not the whole story, because bond yields depend on risk as well. VBTLX has a duration of 6.8 years, while VTEAX has a duration of 4.6 years. You are thus taking more interest-rate risk in order to get the higher yield.retired@50 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:14 am Given current yields for VBTLX and VTEAX and a 24% tax bracket, VBTLX is the better choice.
VBTLX SEC 30-day yield = 1.29%
VTEAX SEC 30-day yield = 0.81%
a little math
( 1 - 0.24 ) X 1.29 = 0.9804
So, if you buy VBTLX you'll get to keep 0.98%, but if you buy VTEAX you'll get to keep 0.81%.
And even that isn't the whole story; most munis are callable, and this causes muni funds to have more interest-rate risk than indicated by the duration. Thus, even though Vanguard Long-Term Tax-Exempt Admiral has a yield of 1.13% with a duration of 5.2 years, for a higher after-tax yield than Total Bond Market, it probably has more risk.
For brevity, I limited my response to the two funds the OP had mentioned.
Regards,
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Re: What Bond Index funds in Taxable - FL/24%
Thank you everyone for the replies. This is some good info. It looks like in the 24% tax bracket, both the funds are 'decent' options. For now I will stick with VBTLX.
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